Georgia and South Ossetia at war

[Ann from Russia]

Ha-ha-ha-ha! I sow with my own eyes (at 01:15) "special news" from Ossetia and Georgia. All journalists from both sides told about it. Morning!!! What worning? The war was started at night! Georgia, there is so much that you don't know!

[independent]

Explain to Independent:

Georgians, that is the truth!

It is pretty much the same picture we have got here in Finland.

Most West analyst seems to believe that Bush was not aware of Saakashvili intention to
attack S-Ossetia before it was too late. Condoleza Rice has told that when she hears
that Gergian army was going to attack she imediatelly send an message "Don't Go In"
to Saakashvili. Saakashvili didn't take that into account. In US they think that Saakasvili
knew that US will not give permission if asked - so he thought it is easier make an apology
later (source: New York Times)

So it is really sad but one stupid politic seems to be responsible of all this.

[IamGEORGIA]

You cant get the idea..

I think you have never seen any maps or have no idea what s.Ossetia is..
Operation begun at night..
and clening Tskinvali from terorists begun after one day, in the morning..


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there can be several punishments for russia:
1. Economical sanctions
2. excluding from G8 (everyone now mention G7)
3.Changin sochi for 2014..

meanwhile, his neighbour, Georgia and Ukraine will become NATO members..

[independent]

meanwhile, his neighbour, Georgia and Ukraine will become NATO members..

Believe me - You will not. It is allready discussed in several countries. And conclusion
is the same everywhere: Your change to be accepted is now almost zero.

[Eka]

Afrom Russia

your army is "wonderfull", hungry, agly, angry,''da aziati mi da skifi mi s raskosimi i jadnimi glazami"MAYBY YOU REMEBER YOUR POET ESENIN - SO BE HAPPY REAL RUSSIA IS WILD SOLDGERS NOT PROPRELY DRESSES AND HUNGRY ARE ASKING FOR FOOD AND BREAD GEORGIAN PEASENTS IN VILIGES AND BLAMING THERE DRANKEN GENERALS.wHEN THERY ENTERED GEORGIA THERE WERE SHOKED BY GEORGIANS MIITARY BASES AND PROSPERITY OF CITIZENS . AT THIS MOMENT WHEN YOU ARE PROPAGANDIND EUROPE TO LOOK AT GEORGIA AS AGRESSIV COUNTRY YOUR BRAVE SOLGERS ARE DRANKEN WITH HOME MADE VODKA AND SLEEPING IN DUSTY VILLAGE ROADS AND UNDER TREES. WHEN THERE ARE HUNGRY THEY ARE STEELING FRUTES FROM YARDS AND ARE SURPRISED BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAVE SEEN PEACH AND NECTARINS.SO EUROPE BEREADY YOU HAVE MANY THINGS RUSSIAN SOLGERS HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND THEN PERSONS LIKE ANN WILL PROPAGANDE SOMETHING ELSE ( e>g> INDEPENCE TO ELZASE /FLANDRIA AND SO ON )

[IamGEORGIA]

meanwhile, his neighbour, Georgia and Ukraine will become NATO members..

Believe me - You will not. It is allready discussed in several countries. And conclusion
is the same everywhere: Your change to be accepted is now almost zero.

For me its easier to beleive all the politicians or presidents who say we will..
Including Chancellor merkel and Mr Sarkozy..

[Eka]

Explain to Independent:

Georgians, that is the truth!

It is pretty much the same picture we have got here in Finland.

You meen when russians take Viborg from you?Or you forget this? VIborg was Finlands butiful tawns and at this moment it is Russians ordianry dranken town full nof alcoholik russians.

[Eka]

Hi

I am Georgia, Forth century of resistance to Russians druanken and alcoholik agression. There are close, be carefull. They can do everything with you if they decide. They were steeling used toilets from military bases, because have never seen them before. So emagine what shock they will have from your bathrooms and jacuzis?

[independent]

For me its easier to beleive all the politicians or presidents who say we will..
Including Chancellor merkel and Mr Sarkozy..

Yeah, it seems that You always believe the easiest thing to accept....

[IamGEORGIA]

Hi

I am Georgia, Forth century of resistance to Russians druanken and alcoholik agression. There are close, be carefull. They can do everything with you if they decide. They were steeling used toilets from military bases, because have never seen them before. So emagine what shock they will have from your bathrooms and jacuzis?

I am not afraid of them..as all georgians are not afraid..
Occupanys must be destroyed.
But look, they are so poor..They dont have even bread and drinks..
Even patriot russian soldier is wearing georgian uniform..
Poor boys

[IamGEORGIA]

For me its easier to beleive all the politicians or presidents who say we will..
Including Chancellor merkel and Mr Sarkozy..

Yeah, it seems that You always believe the easiest thing to accept....

seriosly did not understand what i meant?

I've said that Their words have somehow more reputaion for me than you..
Sorry but its true...

[independent]

You meen when russians take Viborg from you?Or you forget this? VIborg was Finlands butiful tawns and at this moment it is Russians ordianry dranken town full nof alcoholik russians.

First - yeah we lost more than that indeed. But we remained independent. I have not
forgot that - conversely - because of it I know what can happen.
In Finland we are not willing to fight with Russians - if they attackt we do but we are
not taunting them to do so.
Indeed we count ordinary russians as our friends. They are totally normally people -
just like anyone else.

You should set apart people and politics. To hate an ethnic group is idiotic.

[Eka]

Dont worry!

We will survive even without NATO. We are doing this during many centuries. We were fort for europe from mongolians and arabs during centuries.Thats way the wave of there armies were less storng for you but now europe have same threts. and we will stay apart as europeans have done ( remeber pipeline with 1% of oil for you)and then lets see the stage then. WE will survive even alone . read a little about us . We will seek for needed for us strategic partners and we will do our best.

Georgians were bilding russian empire( Stalin ) and we will destroy it as we begin to destry USSR after 9 april 1989.

[independent]

I've said that Their words have somehow more reputaion for me than you..
Sorry but its true...

No problem at all - I'm not trying to persuade You about that. I only
gave my 5 cents of it.

[independent]

Dont worry!

Georgians were bilding russian empire( Stalin ) and we will destroy it as we begin to destry USSR after 9 april 1989.

Can't You simply learn how to live at peace ? And please don't tell me You did !

[IamGEORGIA]

Dont worry!

Georgians were bilding russian empire( Stalin ) and we will destroy it as we begin to destry USSR after 9 april 1989.

Can't You simply learn how to live at peace ? And please don't tell me You did !

No we cant..
wa cant not because we dont want..
We cant because we are always under attack..
If you look closer to our hystory, you will see, that we have always been fighting..fighting till the last drop of the blood..Thats why we are still alive..25 century of our history mabe wh had 2 centyry of peace..
There were mongolians, arabs, persians, Byzantie, Turks, russians..everybody tried and tries to occupy us, because of our strategic place in caucasus..
Fighting is on our character..its part of us..

(even in sports, we have more succes in those disciplines were you need to fight, show you braveness ets..wrestling, judo, rugby, box, etc..by the way in this horrible period, we won 2 gold and 1 bronze in Beijing..again our fighting character..)

[SiD]

Ha-ha-ha-ha! I sow with my own eyes (at 01:15) "special news" from Ossetia and Georgia. All journalists from both sides told about it. Morning!!! What worning? The war was started at night! Georgia, there is so much that you don't know!

I think he is correct. They prepared the whole day to destroy Skhinvali and even agreed to discuss a way to find peacefull solution while preparing. Not easy thing to destroy the whole city isnt it?

Are you georgians realy free? Freedom is not only right to do what you want it is also responsability for your actions and thier effect to others. So are you free or just "democratic"?

We in Russia watch closely all sources of information and are enraged by US position as well with EU. But we cant dictate them what to think!And have no desire to do that! We are asking them to be objective (sometimes they dont). Many Russians are questioning Europe judgment becouse of Kosovo. US are worst! They expand NATO to our borders, place anti messiles and other military installations in Eastern europe without regard to our security! Wen we warn them that it is dengerous to us they just pay no attention! Is this 21 century? Security to US and no one else? I think western Europe have no disire to seek any confrontation with Russia (i hope wery much) and must hold NATO advance. We are on the same continent and must work together, not against each other, to make it safe.
Georgia started current conflict it is obvius. Our government is using situation to achieve its political goals it is logical. But it is right thing to do to defend people from destruction! War is cruel, georgians must face it! That is way it must be ovoided if possible!!! Saakashvili did what you wanted him to do? You knew what would happen? Why are you blaming us then? You have chosen your path but want face no consiquences of your desigion.

[Eka]

Dont worry!

Georgians were bilding russian empire( Stalin ) and we will destroy it as we begin to destry USSR after 9 april 1989.

Can't You simply learn how to live at peace ? And please don't tell me You did !

How wonderfull is to live in peace on anothers back as you in Europe deed. I am sure you are already frustrated about this "little conflict" in caucasus yes? your lifes are a littel bit destroid? and you are tired fro m this discussions? What that Georgian want? way are they traing not to liave in peace?

MEanwile I knew many russians and I am 100% sure for example toward Finland ( 1802-1918 with russia). They are dreaming to have it back I know it but it seem to you imposible? for me no and you now way? it seem imposible for me that 44 killed in tskinvali turned to 2000-4000( see int. report of HRW) and unknown number of killed all ower Georgia ( They are not allowing us to burry them) and your quite lifge is destroied? SO sleep quite your term will come after some 5-15 years. Ukraina, polland, baltic states are in russians line at first.
BY

[independent]

Dont worry!

Georgians were bilding russian empire( Stalin ) and we will destroy it as we begin to destry USSR after 9 april 1989.

Can't You simply learn how to live at peace ? And please don't tell me You did !

No we cant..
wa cant because we dont want..
We cant because we are always under attack..
If you look closer to our hystory, you will see, that we have always been fighting..fighting till the last drop of the blood..Thats why we are still alive..25 century of our history mabe wh had 2 centyry of peace..
There were mongolians, arabs, persians, Byzantie, Turks, russians..everybody tried and tries to occupy us, because of our strategic place in caucasus..
Fighting is on our character..its part of us..

(even in sports, we have more succes in those disciplines were you need to fight, show you braveness ets..wrestling, judo, rugby, box, etc..by the way in this horrible period, we won 2 gold and 1 bronze in Beijing..again our fighting character..)

There is nothing in your country nowadays worth invading it - so If You only understand that You must
take care that there is no conflicts inside Your country (between ethnic groups) and don't put Your nose
to geopolitics - You could live there without any problems.

[Eka]

Ha-ha-ha-ha! I sow with my own eyes (at 01:15) "special news" from Ossetia and Georgia. All journalists from both sides told about it. Morning!!! What worning? The war was started at night! Georgia, there is so much that you don't know!

I think he is correct. They prepared the whole day to destroy Skhinvali and even agreed to discuss a way to find peacefull solution while preparing. Not easy thing to destroy the whole city isnt it?

Are you georgians realy free? Freedom is not only right to do what you want it is also responsability for your actions and thier effect to others. So are you free or just "democratic"?

We in Russia watch closely all sources of information and are enraged by US position as well with EU. But we cant dictate them what to think!And have no desire to do that! We are asking them to be objective (sometimes they dont). Many Russians are questioning Europe judgment becouse of Kosovo. US are worst! They expand NATO to our borders, place anti messiles and other military installations in Eastern europe without regard to our security! Wen we warn them that it is dengerous to us they just pay no attention! Is this 21 century? Security to US and no one else? I think western Europe have no disire to seek any confrontation with Russia (i hope wery much) and must hold NATO advance. We are on the same continent and must work together, not against each other, to make it safe.
Georgia started current conflict it is obvius. Our government is using situation to achieve its political goals it is logical. But it is right thing to do to defend people from destruction! War is cruel, georgians must face it! That is way it must be ovoided if possible!!! Saakashvili did what you wanted him to do? You knew what would happen? Why are you blaming us then? You have chosen your path but want face no consiquences of your desigion.

In some points I agree but I dont agree that because russinas want to have influance on us we can not choose another option. War is war I an sure 100% not 1 georgian solger was shooting in women and chid. There are 44 civilian victims dont agree with your propaganda. If there are more victims it is because russins rushed with there troops and begin to bomb tskinvali our troops immidiatly withdrow not to have many civilian victims. Georgian are fighting for indepedanc but NEVER, NEVER kill inocent people but some victims may be and I am deeple sorry but look at RUS. troops - they are not troops they are draunken mongolian ordas of little boys from orphanages in siberia. Russian generals does not count there solger but we do. So dont belive I am 100 and again 100% sure most vicitms in tskinvali were from russian weapons and I hope int. experts will confirm it if RUs generals and military prosecutores will not have enaugh time to clean up there weapons from thoese place.I am not sure too many time is gone and waisted.
Goergians does not enter tskinvali. THey begin operation to defence Georgian villages from ongoing agression of terorists and separatists and rus " peace kippers". THis villages are in 5-8 km fromk tskinvali. after this I dont know what happened I am sure that russinas begin the first stage of operation and after they late georgians to enter town they beghin to bomb town and rest of this tragedy I already explained. They are much more vicitims froma GEorgain side and much more refugies, so count who is correct and who no. This war was wonderfull present for russians so they begin it ( 1000-15000 tanks in 30 min from caucasian montines !!!! IT IS IMPOSIBLE IF YOU ARE NOT PREPEARING LONG BEFORE ) and shortage of weapons from georgian side ( IF YOU ARE PREPEARING for long lasted operation!!!!!IT IS IMPOSSIBLE).

[Eka]

Before I go to sleep I want to remeber you about uncontroled little peace of georgian land which will be path way for drugs from asia to europe thry russia and then about another uncontrolled things which are hapening there during last 15 years and many russian taicuns are bacaming reecher and reecher on this. SO Europe sleep in peace . We will try not to destroy your peacefull life not we, but other will do it. Of course you have several years of this sleepy condition beeng in.

[SiD]

Can't You simply learn how to live at peace ? And please don't tell me You did !

No we cant..
wa cant because we dont want..
We cant because we are always under attack..
If you look closer to our hystory, you will see, that we have always been fighting..fighting till the last drop of the blood..Thats why we are still alive..25 century of our history mabe wh had 2 centyry of peace..
There were mongolians, arabs, persians, Byzantie, Turks, russians..everybody tried and tries to occupy us, because of our strategic place in caucasus..
Fighting is on our character..its part of us..

(even in sports, we have more succes in those disciplines were you need to fight, show you braveness ets..wrestling, judo, rugby, box, etc..by the way in this horrible period, we won 2 gold and 1 bronze in Beijing..again our fighting character..)[/quote]

There is nothing in your country nowadays worth invading it - so If You only understand that You must
take care that there is no conflicts inside Your country (between ethnic groups) and don't put Your nose
to geopolitics - You could live there without any problems.[/quote]

Well "IamGeorgia" were you attacked by Iraq? You were not only fighting invaders you were also seeking defenders. Look at Russian history. How many centuries of peace do we have? We have defended your people for centuries. So stop to be so proud we have our own pride too. Our nation played much larger role in the world history than Georgia.


Independent i thank you for understanding us. I hope that Europe will choose calm, progmatic position. Russia is diffrent now but many people are still want to fear us, why? We have disagreements in many geopolitical questions but it is normal.

[SiD]

Ha-ha-ha-ha! I sow with my own eyes (at 01:15) "special news" from Ossetia and Georgia. All journalists from both sides told about it. Morning!!! What worning? The war was started at night! Georgia, there is so much that you don't know!

I think he is correct. They prepared the whole day to destroy Skhinvali and even agreed to discuss a way to find peacefull solution while preparing. Not easy thing to destroy the whole city isnt it?

Are you georgians realy free? Freedom is not only right to do what you want it is also responsability for your actions and thier effect to others. So are you free or just "democratic"?

We in Russia watch closely all sources of information and are enraged by US position as well with EU. But we cant dictate them what to think!And have no desire to do that! We are asking them to be objective (sometimes they dont). Many Russians are questioning Europe judgment becouse of Kosovo. US are worst! They expand NATO to our borders, place anti messiles and other military installations in Eastern europe without regard to our security! Wen we warn them that it is dengerous to us they just pay no attention! Is this 21 century? Security to US and no one else? I think western Europe have no disire to seek any confrontation with Russia (i hope wery much) and must hold NATO advance. We are on the same continent and must work together, not against each other, to make it safe.
Georgia started current conflict it is obvius. Our government is using situation to achieve its political goals it is logical. But it is right thing to do to defend people from destruction! War is cruel, georgians must face it! That is way it must be ovoided if possible!!! Saakashvili did what you wanted him to do? You knew what would happen? Why are you blaming us then? You have chosen your path but want face no consiquences of your desigion.

In some points I agree but I dont agree that because russinas want to have influance on us we can not choose another option. War is war I an sure 100% not 1 georgian solger was shooting in women and chid. There are 44 civilian victims dont agree with your propaganda. If there are more victims it is because russins rushed with there troops and begin to bomb tskinvali our troops immidiatly withdrow not to have many civilian victims. Georgian are fighting for indepedanc but NEVER, NEVER kill inocent people but some victims may be and I am deeple sorry but look at RUS. troops - they are not troops they are draunken mongolian ordas of little boys from orphanages in siberia. Russian generals does not count there solger but we do. So dont belive I am 100 and again 100% sure most vicitms in tskinvali were from russian weapons and I hope int. experts will confirm it if RUs generals and military prosecutores will not have enaugh time to clean up there weapons from thoese place.I am not sure too many time is gone and waisted.
Goergians does not enter tskinvali. THey begin operation to defence Georgian villages from ongoing agression of terorists and separatists and rus " peace kippers". THis villages are in 5-8 km fromk tskinvali. after this I dont know what happened I am sure that russinas begin the first stage of operation and after they late georgians to enter town they beghin to bomb town and rest of this tragedy I already explained. They are much more vicitims froma GEorgain side and much more refugies, so count who is correct and who no. This war was wonderfull present for russians so they begin it ( 1000-15000 tanks in 30 min from caucasian montines !!!! IT IS IMPOSIBLE IF YOU ARE NOT PREPEARING LONG BEFORE ) and shortage of weapons from georgian side ( IF YOU ARE PREPEARING for long lasted operation!!!!!IT IS IMPOSSIBLE).

Look how can i take tour claims serius? If our soldiers are drunk mongolian ordas than how could they transport 1000-15000!!!! tanks into Georgia for 30 minutes!!! IN caucasus mauntains!!!! Every military in the world will be green from envy. That are only tanks not to mention troops and supply vihicles . Our hordes are FAST!!! I suppose every our vihickle ( and tanks) are as fast as formula 1 speed car . Well thank you for such high opinion about our forces.

[Lor]

This argument has became more personal than it should be.
It's generally a verbal conflict between Russians and the rest. I really doubt the "independent" guy being truly independent, and would ask him please not to speak for the whole Europe! Dear Georgians you have the support of EU. Most of the people i got in contact with are amazed by the latest Russian acts, the people i talk about are EU representatives, diplomats or politically active people, not some guys on the internet that just talk for nothing!!

The main attitude in Europe is amazement towards the EU's lack of action. Why the "peacekeepers" in the region are Russians aand not UN real ones?
It is very clear what is going on in Georgia right now and is a pity that your Russian president, Medvedev is just a puppet.
He actually looks like someone who cannot handle this conflict, he promises peace but his army doesn't even care of what their leader says. Maybe because their real leader is Putin, that chose his toy for his own game.

Everybody should understand that talking on this forum doesn't change a thing! Russia is the aggressor and the whole worlds sees it! No matter how many excuses you find for this conflict you should understand once and for all that there are NONE to justify your latest actions, which are not human nor rightful nor sane!




p.s How many Russians are willing to host Ossetians in their own neighborhoods??
Recent polls show that 76% do not wish to have Ossetians in their homes.


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[Lor]

15000 Tanks- 30minutes? I really doubt your knowledge.

It was 150 tanks a lot of them got destroyed, chief commander of 58 army got shot and had to be transported to Vladikovkaz.
Army took some losses and needed reinforcement, more troops from Chechnya.

BTW - NATO can ship up to 12 thousand troops in any location on this globe in 14 hours. fact has been proved. no need to turn green.

Another thing - if you claim such powers, tell me why did you ask for British and US help with your sank submarines??? And why do they keep on sinking???