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Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Steven - 09-16-2008
once a war starts, its consequences are dangerous for both military objects and ordinary citizens - this is the fact that must be taken into account by the aggressor country, when provoking war.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Eugene from Belarus - 09-17-2008
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Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - M.Helen - 09-18-2008
Eugene from Belarus Wrote:http://news.mail.ru/society/2024344/Using an electronic translator I understood that the number of deaths in South Ossetia is believed to be about 1,600. Is this news source trustworthy?
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Newrussian town - 09-18-2008
Russian side KIA- 68 soldiers, WIA- 102.
Georgia KIA- over 3000 soldiers WIA- ?
1600 ossetians were dead, over 30000 were refugees. And this 30000 refugees were covered on Russian territory, do you know why? Becouse Georgians were killing them and russians covered them.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Lenus - 09-20-2008
M.Helen Wrote:Eugene from Belarus Wrote:http://news.mail.ru/society/2024344/Using an electronic translator I understood that the number of deaths in South Ossetia is believed to be about 1,600. Is this news source trustworthy?
hock: news.mail.ru???very much trustworthy!!! better than human rights watch, better than Condoleezza Rice and all western media taken together!
:mrgreen:
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Benn - 09-20-2008
22 men from The Ministry of Defense died. How is that possible? I don't believe officials fought by their own in this war.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - gomboreli - 09-20-2008
Newrussian town,
Where did you take those figures from?
Are casualties from local militia detachments wiped out on the first day included in these 1600?
Haven't there been any Georgian refugees at all?!
3 000 KIA - just dream on! Thanks that you don't regard all 3 millions+ as dead
Earlier Russia announced 74 soldiers and 2000 civilians killed. If there are respectively 68 and 1600 now, have those resurrected?
Reagan once called the Soviet communist state 'the empire of evil'. Its successor can be probably proud of being the empire of lies.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Yalta1945 - 09-20-2008
gomboreli Wrote:Reagan once called the Soviet communist state 'the empire of evil'. Its successor can be probably proud of being the empire of lies.The USSR was the empire of lies. While you live within the lie, you just don't call them lies. KGB was among master institutions to feed people with a kind of virtual reality network to mask the truth by multiple sanctimonies. The Soviet system was a total hypocrisy. Putin was educated and internalized within this system. They lied all the time about everything and they were hiding the truth.
I could recall some usual things from my everyday life during that era. When the world was boycotting the Olympic games in 1980 I was just unaware of the reason - I heard nothing of Afghanistan. When I first heard it was the war there I thought it was the propaganda of the imperialistic West. We had a book at home called "On events in Czechoslovakia" (in English) printed in the USSR, and I believed it contained true facts and right interpretations. I learnt that my neighbours' relatives were repressed by Communists and the girl living in front of my house was attending the church in the years of Perestroika and Glasnost only, for it has been too risky to talk of such topics in the previous years. And so on, and so on...Hundreds of examples I could mention just of my personal life which was quite lucky if compared with others.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Newrussian town - 09-21-2008
I will answer to you fellows. Did you see a confference of our General-Colonel Nagivicin? I took this numbers from our officials. But you may don't trust me, but let's see, Saakashvilly said that Georgians lost 58 soldiers, LIE because we destroyed the rocket boat (fact) with 60 crew on a board near Abchazia. And it was a hard battle in SO where KIA from Georgians side were much bigger than from our. Yes there were Georgians refugees , they ran to Georgia, because they afraid revenge from Ossetians. they ran from the city Gory and from Georgian's villages in SO (Georgians ran to Georgia, Ossetians ran to Russia) I think it is logic.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - gomboreli - 09-21-2008
I'll try to follow your logic: Ossetians fled because Georgians were killing them, and Georgian civilians fled not because Ossetians were killing them, but for fear of revenge only. That is Georgians are bad, Ossetians are good!!!
Next - a patrol boat was sunk because the crew was probably killing Ossetians on the sea or on the beach and Russian govt being fateful to its obligation to save Ossetians from the genocide had to intervene, right?
Now, logically the number of KIA always gets increased either because severely wounded people may die or more KIA may be found later on. How come the Russian losses went down from 74 to 68 and Ossetian losses from 2000 to 1600?! By the way a certain Alexander Bastrykin, head of the prosecutor general’s Investigative Committee, put the figure at 134.
I don't know whether in Putin's Russia anyone can be trusted, but how can these two officials have such different figures? The conclusion - Moscow deliberaty inflated the number of civilian casualties and concocted some stories of mass atrocities so as to provoke ethnic Ossetians against Georgians and justify brutal ethnic cleansing carried out in the region.
As for the Georgian side, the casualties among military servicemen and civilians are announced 370.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Newrussian town - 09-21-2008
Gomboreli. I am a common russian civil man,and you are common georgian,man. I truly don't feel hate or smt. to your people, we were together for ages.I don't know why we become an enemies,I know only that when we fought together against Germany, we were right, and when we fight against each other, that meance that we forgot somthing, you and me. I don't feel glory when TV tell me that ??? georgian soldiers were killed. It is policy , we protected russian people and you attacked them, for me it is enought.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Hakan G - 09-21-2008
Newrussian town Wrote:Gomboreli. I am a common russian civil man,and you are common georgian,man. I truly don't feel hate or smt. to your people, we were together for ages.I don't know why we become an enemies,I know only that when we fought together against Germany, we were right, and when we fight against each other, that meance that we forgot somthing, you and me. I don't feel glory when TV tell me that ??? georgian soldiers were killed. It is policy , we protected russian people and you attacked them, for me it is enought.
You cannot attack all the countries with Russian people. It is not called policy but aggression.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Newrussian town - 09-21-2008
The verb can-meance posibility. So we can attack everyone, because we are one of the few great nations. We may not attack, and we don't want attack, but if russians will dieing, no matter where, we will be there with all our power.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Tamsa - 09-22-2008
Harvard Conference about Circassians
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William Paterson University Conference about Circassians
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The Circassians: Past, Present and Future
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please all russians see that...
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Steven - 09-25-2008
Tamsa Wrote:Harvard Conference about Circassians
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William Paterson University Conference about Circassians
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The Circassians: Past, Present and Future
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please all russians see that...
is this related to the topic?
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Hakan G - 09-26-2008
Newrussian town Wrote:The verb can-meance posibility. So we can attack everyone, because we are one of the few great nations. We may not attack, and we don't want attack, but if russians will dieing, no matter where, we will be there with all our power.
aren't you ashamed of what you say?
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - SiD - 09-26-2008
Hakan G Wrote:Newrussian town Wrote:The verb can-meance posibility. So we can attack everyone, because we are one of the few great nations. We may not attack, and we don't want attack, but if russians will dieing, no matter where, we will be there with all our power.
aren't you ashamed of what you say?
It is impossible. But what is to shame? That we must defend our people?
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Hakan G - 09-27-2008
Ashamed for breaking the international law
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - SiD - 09-27-2008
Hakan G Wrote:Ashamed for breaking the international law
And what law was violated?
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Hakan G - 09-27-2008
What about the treaty that Russia signed to respect the Human Rights: the ECHR convention, isn't it part of the international law?
This is just one example
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Terry - 09-27-2008
There is no place for law when people die. You know what Georgia did? They knew very well that Russia will attack, but, they wanted that for drawing the international attention. Imagine a child walking in the zoo, he sees a note near a tiger's cage - "Do not stretch out the hand", but he does. And what will the tiger do in this situation? He will bite the child of course.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - SiD - 09-27-2008
Hakan G Wrote:What about the treaty that Russia signed to respect the Human Rights: the ECHR convention, isn't it part of the international law?
This is just one example
you know that government duty (and most important one) is to guard its citizens lives? Our people have no less rights than any other. Other examples?
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Hakan G - 09-27-2008
The PLEASE don't sign these conventions of the civilized world.
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - SiD - 09-27-2008
Hakan G Wrote:The PLEASE don't sign these conventions of the civilized world.
Is there any convention were it is sayd that russian people has no human rights?
Re: Russia Exagerating Death Toll - Hakan G - 09-27-2008
One's right is limited at the stage when it affects the other's people right. Not otherwise