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[Aeneas]

No need for anger here. I'm dealing with hard facts:
1) He studied at Kenyon College, Ohio (the Buckeye state) on an American scholarship. He received his BA there
2) He stated that he was inspired by the radical debate in the student community at Kenyon college
3) His critical essay on Friedrich Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" was the genesis of his ideology
4) His senior honor thesis was on the United Auto Workers union, led at the time by Walter Reuther (whom he hounded and followed everywhere like a groupie following a rock star)
5) After graduation he traveled throughout the US and eventually ended up in Detroit
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No misinformation here. As for who killed him - you may want to investigate the death of Lionel "Buster" Crabb of the MI5 at the hands of the KGB. Palme made a lot of people nervous. Starting with his geographic neighbors.
However, if your dislike of the Yanks gives you comfort, by all means, carry on. They don't care. They move on. It is after all a very European thing to reminisce for ever and revel in the memory of ancient hatreds and war. Honestly now, don't you think that all this harping on Americans is a sign of low self esteem?
Cheers.

[Kusnetsov]

"communism turned to become awfulness, terror and absurd" because of Stalin, not because it was only one country. After Stalin, communism became better but "Stalinism" was still a part of the USSR until Gorbatjov tried to make communism fantastic. But then it was too late. The people didn´t trust communism so they wanted it to end. Dubček wanted also to make communism fantastic but it was too early. Breshnev stopped him.

There's a possibility (let it be illusory) that in condition of Mankind consolidation within a single (unified) political or ideological system ("communism" was an example) all the dialectic forces will be used for improvement of the human world. Practicly it appeared to be that Dialectics just improved the resistance enforcement (called " the cold war" though it should be called "the eternal war") between two political systems that both have not turned to become perfect as the result.
P.S. Talking about Stalin, he was the extremely contradictory and intricate historic personality whose bloody Tyranny eclipsed his indisputable services to his country and the world. Gorbatjov was too weak-willed to make at least something. And trying to make communism fantastic is not about him. And, as you correctly noticed, it was too late then.

[Kusnetsov]

No need for anger here. I'm dealing with hard facts:
1) He studied at Kenyon College, Ohio (the Buckeye state) on an American scholarship. He received his BA there
2) He stated that he was inspired by the radical debate in the student community at Kenyon college
3) His critical essay on Friedrich Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" was the genesis of his ideology
4) His senior honor thesis was on the United Auto Workers union, led at the time by Walter Reuther (whom he hounded and followed everywhere like a groupie following a rock star)
5) After graduation he traveled throughout the US and eventually ended up in Detroit
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No misinformation here. As for who killed him - you may want to investigate the death of Lionel "Buster" Crabb of the MI5 at the hands of the KGB. Palme made a lot of people nervous. Starting with his geographic neighbors.
However, if your dislike of the Yanks gives you comfort, by all means, carry on. They don't care. They move on. It is after all a very European thing to reminisce for ever and revel in the memory of ancient hatreds and war. Honestly now, don't you think that all this harping on Americans is a sign of low self esteem?
Cheers.

All that you posted does not make Olof Palme an American. I, e.g., was born and live in Ukraine. But it does not make me Ukrainian. I'm Russian. I just mean it was actually up to Palme to decide what nationality he belonged to, it's up to his mentality, his inner world. I think, he was Swede. Anyhow by no means he was an American.

at the hands of the KGB

- in details, please

[55° N - 13° E]

I challenge your logic, Aeneas.

For no other reason than the fact that I hold the U.S. accountable for their deeds, you say …

“No need for anger here.”

… and …

“… if your dislike of the Yanks gives you comfort …”

”anger”? ”dislike of Yanks”? Show me where you see that, please.

I’d say that you are unfamiliar with the full concept of democratic discussion, and this deficiency supports my earlier post about concluding “hate” out of simple critical evaluation. Bearing this in mind, you need only to look within yourself to see the “low self esteem” that you speak of at the end of your post.

By constructing “Your Own World” (the title of this thread, in case you’ve missed it) it is necessary to use the examples of daily life. No-one here was born onto a planet without political government so we are incapable of “starting from scratch”, so to speak. But by analyzing the political influences of today we can either praise or criticize them in order to form what we personally feel would be perfect, or “Your Own World”. If you think anyone could build that “new” world without examining the U.S. then you must be living on another planet, but certainly not this one.

Then …

“It is after all a very European thing to reminisce for ever and revel in the memory of ancient hatreds and war.”

Odd thing to say considering that we Europeans are in the middle of earnest endeavours, incorporating a great number of countries into the EU, many of which were former enemies of war and of political conviction. The U.S. on the other hand, has never come to terms with Cuba, North Korea, Iran, and a list of others with which the US refuses to exchange diplomatic relations.

You further add to your concoction this - with which to support your statement that Olof Palme was American …..

1) He studied at Kenyon College, Ohio …..
2) He stated that he was inspired by the radical debate in the student community at Kenyon college
3) His critical essay on Friedrich Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" was the genesis of his ideology
4) His senior honor thesis was on the United Auto Workers union, led at the time by Walter Reuther …..
5) After graduation he traveled throughout the US …..

From this you maintain that he was an American? A VERY strange deduction on your part.

.. but the cherry on top is this about Olof Palme where you state …

… He “was inspired by the radical debate in the student community at Kenyon college …”

This ”radical debate” was considered un-American and was condemned out of hand by the American government, thus rendering Palme “unsuitable” by American standards. Yet you try to make Palme’s (and presumably his political philosophy) “American”. You seem to be extremely confused on each and every point of this discussion. Any influence Palme might have gathered from such “radical debate” would have been seen to be “un-American” - by the political jargon of the time.

I'm dealing with hard facts:

These “hard facts” of yours above are your own undoing. Not one of your historical pieces of evidence supports any of your statements. In fact, they support my earlier assertion that you are distributing MISINFORMATION. Each of your deductions is pure fantasy with provision supplied by your very own research.

[Aeneas]

Kusnetsov,
I doubt that you would trust my sources... so why not do your own research? Fire up any old search engine and plug Lionel "Buster" Crabb in the search box. Then select a source that is credible by your standards. If you don't trust google or bing, go with Яндекс and use a Russian citation from this search:
http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=Lionel+%22Buster%22+Crabb+&stpar2=%2Fh0%2Ftm65%2Fs3&stpar4=%2Fs3
I liked the one from "The Moscow Expat Forums".... entertaining anyway.
Those were tough times and things were done that should be forgiven. So no bitterness on my part. On the other hand, I think you should challenge others' statements as well for the sake of the appearances of equity anyway.
Cheers.
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Edit: forgot this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N-z1ZypO-c&feature=related
If his name is Olaf, he's got to be Swedish...... what I was referring to was a matter of nuance.

[Aeneas]

Fiftyfive,
Rather compelling exhortations for digital civility and "democratic" debating techniques (although a bit verbose and somewhat self-righteous for my taste). Alas, if only you wouldn't have made such abundant use of references to fecal matter when addressing me in your first salvo of this little tempest in a tea pot (go ahead and review your post) - I would have lent you more credibility.
So old chap, "pot and kettle to you" as the Brits say. Or "pull thine beam out of thine eye" before you start harping on "the sty" in mine. Don't get me wrong, I rather enjoy the high debating standards you demand of me - but in the interest of fairness, how about applying them equally to yourself.
Cheers.
(And the sixties ARE over)

[55° N - 13° E]

Fiftyfive,
Rather compelling exhortations for digital civility and "democratic" debating techniques (although a bit verbose and somewhat self-righteous for my taste). Alas, if only you wouldn't have made such abundant use of references to fecal matter when addressing me in your first salvo of this little tempest in a tea pot (go ahead and review your post) - I would have lent you more credibility.
So old chap, "pot and kettle to you" as the Brits say. Or "pull thine beam out of thine eye" before you start harping on "the sty" in mine. Don't get me wrong, I rather enjoy the high debating standards you demand of me - but in the interest of fairness, how about applying them equally to yourself.
Cheers.

In other words: You ARE aware that you are wasting my time with this misinformation of yours, but you´ve finally come to realize (considering the fact that I see through your illogical jibberish) that concoting it was a waste of your time as well. Have a nice day!

[Kusnetsov]

Kusnetsov,
I doubt that you would trust my sources... so why not do your own research?

I made a little research. And didn't find any link between Olof Palme and Lionel "Buster" Crabb deaths. I mean "the KGB hand" in Palme's death.

[55° N - 13° E]

I made a little research. And didn't find any link between Olof Palme and Lionel "Buster" Crabb deaths. I mean "the KGB hand" in Palme's death.

No man can be perfect. Just pray to God to help you to become such a being as your dog considers you.

[Aeneas]

Fiftyfive,
actually, I rather enjoyed my time. I was testing to see what you're made of and why you are so adamant about certain issues. If you can call the FYROM Bulgarian people Macedonians, then I can call Olaf Palme an American. After all, he did study in America and formed his ideas there. The FYROM people are Bulgarians. That's their ancestry and their language. I'm sure you know that. So your ulterior motives are.... whatever. I lost interest.
Thank you for your kind wishes otherwise - I will have a good day.
Cheers.

[55° N - 13° E]

Well, Aeneas, if your dislike of Europeans gives you comfort, by all means, carry on - though there´s need for anger here. But I am cuious why you´re still here. What happened to that advice of yours about "moving on"?

You must be a glutton for punishent!

[Aeneas]

Fiftyfive,
Meh, I just like bit of sparring once in a while. Not an angry bone in my body. Nothing personal - you understand. Actually I am quite impressed by your range of topics.

[55° N - 13° E]

Fiftyfive ..... Actually I am quite impressed by your range of topics.

Is this your way of trying to get in "the last word"? Good! You´ve suceeded.There´s nothing preventing from "moving on" now, yes?

[Aeneas]

maybe

[hellodear]

i think that world that surrounds us is the most beautiful and the greatest one that ever exists. i amaze when people spoken about the Bible said that if we will belive in God by truth we will live in better world and the paradisе will be on the planet. but the paradise is an utopian idea and it can't be. it is impossible in our world to live by other rules. the paradise is not the thing created by utopical idea but by people theirselves on the Earth

[Terry]

i think that world that surrounds us is the most beautiful and the greatest one that ever exists.

Unfortunately people forget that. They can not appreciate what they have until they lose it, because for most people is more precious what does not exist or is rare, than what gives them everyday life.

[Riser]

i think that world that surrounds us is the most beautiful and the greatest one that ever exists.

Unfortunately people forget that. They can not appreciate what they have until they lose it, because for most people is more precious what does not exist or is rare, than what gives them everyday life.

cause in such days we got to live - this is why, we arrived in time when if man has no money is anyone,is not respected, can not to live, is humiliated, assembled - has nothing and is nobody...

[Lorry]

It would be a world with many trees (forests) and brakes which are the most important in filtering the air, it will be a world without any weapons and war planes, it will be a safe and peaceful world but here should be by all means IT technologies and scientific centers.

[Martin]

It will be with a lot of robots which will work for me, they would do the work which i should do, and i will rest and have fun with my friends. It will be very good if I would have an entire world, then I would be the empire.

[aimhigh]

If i would create my own world of course I want a world that full of Love, peaceful, everyone are the same meaning no rich and no poor, and most of all a cleaner environment.

[shiffersmith]

Well my dream world would be full of joy(Burgers,Pizzas,movies,Late Night parties).
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[samuel5028]

My own world is islands in Thailand because of the calmness of the Island and beauty of the nature.

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[samuel5028]

My own world is islands in Thailand because of the calmness of the Island and beauty of the nature.

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