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[manro1]

So who is the boss. Rumors have it Putin wants to come back as a president.

[GUEST]

So who is the boss. Rumors have it Putin wants to come back as a president.

This is a purely Russian matter, not EU and it does not belong here , on a EU forum. We don't care what the Russian people decide about their own affairs within their own borders.

[manro1]

Ok . Who are we supose to deal with us EU with paper power Medvedev or real power Putin?
This is EU matter.

[GUEST]

Ok . Who are we supose to deal with us EU with paper power Medvedev or real power Putin?
This is EU matter.

No, it isn't. Unlike in Ukraine, Medvedev and Putin speak with one voice. If Medvedev makes a power play and there were suddenly two people to deal with, then it MIGHT be a problem although, obviously, the first thing that either Medvedev or Putin would do is to kill the other one... so, nope, its not a realistic problem for the EU. We don't really care who we deal with; although we would like to deal with someone who we can trust --but they all appear to be in jail or dead. And that too, is Russia's business.

[Guest]

Ok . Who are we supose to deal with us EU with paper power Medvedev or real power Putin?
This is EU matter.

No, it isn't. Unlike in Ukraine, Medvedev and Putin speak with one voice. If Medvedev makes a power play and there were suddenly two people to deal with, then it MIGHT be a problem although, obviously, the first thing that either Medvedev or Putin would do is to kill the other one... so, nope, its not a realistic problem for the EU. We don't really care who we deal with; although we would like to deal with someone who we can trust --but they all appear to be in jail or dead. And that too, is Russia's business.

Why do you have bring Ukraine into this I dont care about UKraine. I think Russia has a dictator Putin (small man syndrom) and clown presiden Medvedev

[Guest]

Medvedev and Putin speak with one voice.
tHAT WAS A JOKE RIGHT ? MEDVEDEV HAS NO VOICE. IT IS PUTIN WHO RUNS THE SHOW

[GUEST]

Medvedev and Putin speak with one voice.
tHAT WAS A JOKE RIGHT ? MEDVEDEV HAS NO VOICE. IT IS PUTIN WHO RUNS THE SHOW

No joke. One voice means that when you hear Medvedev's voice speaking you are still listening to Putin))

[Sergey]

I think that rather mr.Putin is a real decision maker. Moreover, those who voted for mr.Medvedev (I did not) kept it in mind.

[Guest]

This is a purely Russian matter,

True. Nobody discusses the French or German president, Obama&Bush.

[Steven]

If judging after their height, then Putin is the leader:
Medvedev - 162 cm
Putin - 170 cm

[Sergey]

There were protest demonstrations in different parts of Russia this weekend. And Kremlin organised rallies in the support of the government. In the last cases the demonstrators mostly arrived by buses.

Authorities promoted a slogan "People - Putin - Medvedev - together we win".

Funny that the communists that organised protest demonstration in the city of Cheboksary read it this way:

People minus Putin minus Medvedev - together we win.

Now, both mssrs.Putin, Medvedev and their ministers-thieves resort to open lies. As a result the question who is the boss could become rather pointless.

[Terry]

People minus Putin minus Medvedev - together we win. - that's funny

Seriously, do you think there are other officials in Russia capable of ruling that big country without this tough regime?

[Sergey]

People minus Putin minus Medvedev - together we win. - that's funny

Seriously, do you think there are other officials in Russia capable of ruling that big country without this tough regime?

Of course there is a lot of them. I mean not 'officials' exactly but professionals, experts, true patriots. Current gang of leeches that rule Russia now unable to be at power forever.

[M.Helen]

Remember that these "leches" were elected by Russians, so I wouldn't call Russian government this way. Being an expert or professional is not enough to lead a big country, you have to be charismatic.

[Sergey]

Remember that these "leches" were elected by Russians, so I wouldn't call Russian government this way. Being an expert or professional is not enough to lead a big country, you have to be charismatic.

Late pres.Yeltsin was more than charismatic and he was elected. Though many doubt that he won fairly in 1996 and he was surrounded by apparent crooks as many Russian believe.

As for "the leeches" then they were not elected but appointed. And in fact mr.Medvedev was appointed. Really people voted for mr.Putin. Mr.Medvedev is a smart person and understands it pretty well.

Now, at least some Russians don't regard both mssrs.Putin and Medvedev as trustworthly persons.

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1009/42/372093.htm

01 November 2008

The ruble may have shed 10 percent of its value in two months, but both President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin are clinging onto their rubles in favor of the U.S. dollar.
...
"I have kept all my accounts at the bank. I have not taken the money out, not changed rubles into dollars and not bought any shares," Medvedev told the Argumenty i Fakty newspaper.

"I am convinced that my savings — and the money of other Russian depositors — are not under threat," Medvedev said Tuesday in response to a reader's question.
...
Putin said he had not touched his savings at Sberbank and VTB. "I don't see any need to change anything," he said, Izvestia reported Friday.

Asked whether he had lost any money because of the weakening ruble, he said, "I haven't had time to count, but I don't think that I've lost anything."

Putin said his savings were mainly in rubles. It was unclear how much money he has in the two banks.

While top persons fooled peoples their servants-leeches openly lied

But Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov described the exchange of rubles for other currencies as "insignificant" and said it was "triggered by an emotional reaction" rather than by any real threat of ruble depreciation.

"There will be no acute fluctuations of the ruble rate," Peskov said.

A Central Bank spokeswoman said the best advice she had for ordinary depositors worried about a depreciating ruble was to "stay calm."

But it appeared the ruble was doomed to be devaluated. And it lost more than 1/3.

So this discussion: who is the boss - Putin or Medvedev is rather pointless. Both are in one boat - the boat full of liars. Maybe mr.Putin is a captain but really it doesn't matter.

[Guest]

Remember that these "leches" were elected by Russians, so I wouldn't call Russian government this way. Being an expert or professional is not enough to lead a big country, you have to be charismatic.
Remember that these "leches" were elected by Russians, so I wouldn't call Russian government this way. Being an expert or professional is not enough to lead a big country, you have to be charismatic.

True.

[Steven]

Rouble is expected to rise in value closer to summer this year. The efforts made by Russian financial authorities will convert into results only in summer. So I don't think it is worth that Russian depositors should worry about that.

[Sergey]

Rouble is expected to rise in value closer to summer this year. The efforts made by Russian financial authorities will convert into results only in summer. So I don't think it is worth that Russian depositors should worry about that.

I'm not so optimistic. The fate of rouble is unclear... no wrong the fate is quite clear. It will not become true hard currency anytime soon. Alas, rouble will remain so called 'a soft currency' for years. Trust in rouble is undermaned and will not recover while current gang of thieves is at power.

There was two digit inflation in Russia last years. Let's ask ourselves, it is possible to keep rouble stable against bi-currecy (dollar - euro) basket? It is possible one, two, three years but it is impossible forever. So this devaluation with its huge scale is rather logical.

But it is important how it has been done. Both mssrs. Putin and Medvedev lied, fooled the people. The lies put them in the one boat and they would reach the safe haven both or both would sink (politically of course). In this context it is pointless to ask a question: who is the boss. Current crisis that is much more serioues than one could predict in fact united clans in Russian ruling elite. And the elite now struggles for its very existence.

[Faw_Peter]

The elite struggles for its existence? Are you sure? What I see is that the elite and Medvedev administration feel themselves quite confident and comfy. Remember, the tough regime in Russia will not allow rouble depreciate.

[Sergey]

The elite struggles for its existence? Are you sure? What I see is that the elite and Medvedev administration feel themselves quite confident and comfy. Remember, the tough regime in Russia will not allow rouble depreciate.

The regime already has allowed it . This weekend mssrs. Putin and Medvedev played a role of TV stars trying to urge the Russians that the situation is under control. But from my point of view they looked nervous. Economical situation is extremely unfavourable to Russia. 1/3 of hard currency reserves were vasted without any effect.

Now, there are hard times for Russian ruling elite.

[Steven]

If it happens, both Putin and Medvedev will lose people's trust and their governing won't last for a long time. Yet, today rouble gained significant rise against dollar. $1 = 35.84
As soon as oil prices stabilize, rouble will gain more.

[Sergey]

Official exchange rate for $1 established at the end of trade session in February

03 - 36.13 roubles
04 - 36.01 roubles
05 - 36.31 roubles
06 - 36.38 roubles
09 - 36.13 roubles
10 - 35.93 roubles

Now rouble is relatively stable (after steep fall) but who knows what would happen later?
Of course I hope that oil prices will be much higher. But alas, unlikely it will happen this year.
Meanwhile inflations would be (according to the most optimistic official estimated) 13%. Likely it will be 20-30%. So rouble is doomed to fall further whoever and whatever would promise.

[M.Helen]

Rouble has taken the fifth place in the most depreciating currencies in the world. Only the Island crone, Ukrainian Hryvna, Poland Zlotyi and Australian dollar are currencies that depreciate faster than rouble

[Guest]

Russia will be OK. They have seen worse a lot worse.

[Guest]

yes we had survived the worse time. I am not good at economics. Strangely enough that every all day long day we hear about severe crisis but till now nobody around me feels as desperate as in 90s.