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[Yalta1945]

Take aborts or euthanasia.

I understand you are confused. But let's not take them now.
How about Совесть?

[Yalta1945]

And our how you once said "helpfull hand with passport" is carryng gun sometimes to defend civilians and help to establish peace.

No, it's Russia and citizens of Russia who are just dismembering Georgia. Russia is an aggressor.

What impression could an ordinary person draw out of reading the lines above? NATO had just to watch massacres and do nothing - this was a "briliant" idea! On the other side, NATO must not even critisize Russia for the aggression against Georgia.
If you are so smart, put down what you think NATO should have done differently.

Stop massacre is noble thing but results are far from noble. NATO should not take side. Not many serbs are in Kosovo now, stop one side violance to allow other side to commit thier own freely that isnt "brilliant" idea for sure.(same applies for ALL states or blocks, or governments).

Where were you (Russia) then?

And of course to recognize independence of Kosovo was great mistake.

Let's compare Moldova and Kosovo, for example. Why Kosovo's independence is worse than Moldovan, uh?

Besides if we follow your autor :

We are supporting Kosovo’s independence because of the chance that it will become more like us, and hence a better neighbour. We oppose independence for Transdniestria et al because it would make them more like Russia, and therefore worse for Europe.

just interests nothing else. It is good for us that means it is good. Everything he cares is chance not justice, law or anything else. It is just justification of double standarts and rules of jungle.

Maybe, he naively thinks the Russia is the new growing empire of evil?
This very author said in 2007 he had for the first time the feeling that the Baltic States may not survive. Strange, for I also had the same feeling in 2007 for the first time. Now he says the Baltic States have to chill out... Pardon, no way.

[SiD]

Short intro: while I was writing some politician was talking on TV (elections in Lithuania), and she said that “sometimes two times two is three, but sometimes it is five”.
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There is often no link between your statements and points of refreference, SiD. You make it sound like this: “Since the Earth is flat, not all frogs are yellow”.
You didn’t like the simple truth expressed by equation “2x2=4” and then you started arguing against it by using binary system instead of decimal just to arrive at the same truth I pointed to: two times two is four, or, the same 2x2=4. Frankly, for a person with normal logic, I think, it could be hard to understand what your fluffy sophism and distortion of the opponent’s reasoning aims at… Don’t complicate simple truth! This is exactly what I told you at the very beginning: even the truth as elementary as 2x2 (which the smallest kids can easily understand) makes you stumble over.
Now I have to guess what you wanted to say. My guess is the following: by showing that there are different numeral systems, you wanted to make a parallel between a “numeral system” and “the way nation chooses”, while equation “two times two is four” (because of your strange way of thinking, I have to write it by words) serves as the verification instrument for the chosen numeral system. Is this the case? (Without your explanation it is just impossible to see your point.) IF this is the case, THEN you lost my point and turned everything just upside down. Numeral system does not need any verification. Either you choose binary system, OR decimal OR octal OR hexadecimal OR any other – it’s all right. It makes no difference. In all of these systems two times two is four. While “the way nation chooses” does make a difference for the result. Moreover, you missed the very point: “the way nation chooses” is extremely important and valuable by itself and may be viewed as the result itself. For a person who makes a stroll on the way, the main aim is strolling – not some point of arrival. “The way we live” is just a value by itself. I don’t need thinking that the usefulness of the time I have spent today should be measured in reference to some goal in the future. (Actually, today is a dreadful day because I spend so much time answering to the bullshit “SiD” wrote.) What is the final point on our way of life?
We are you going to?
Where will you go when you die?
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2x2=4.

2x2=4 if we use system were 2 is present not to mention 4. Cant you get the idea that if you use binar system 2x2=4 is MEANINGLESS. There it will be 10x10=100. I can write to you 2x2=11 and be right, you wrote me 2x2=4 is truth i gave you example were it is not. All what you tell here for truth is truth in certain conditions, if we change them it could become false, like Sunday could be already monday in different time zone. If we will come to less "percise" things there things are much more complicated. . Any man is affected by tons of different things that effect his way of life, or way he chooses. Humans ARE different, we live in different countrys, have different langueges, cultures, ways of life, opinions personal qualities and so on. So freedom of will, freedom to have your own opinion are natural values (for a free man of course). What you posted:

The freedom of choice between good and bad or between right and wrong as well as between wise and dumb would be a silly choice of freedom , not to say more.
I can't believe you argue against the rule of law.
Dislike the good government talk? Well, we could change if for good governance. Good governance and anti-corruption rules are at the mainstream in the European Union.

THAT is bullshit, and i tryed to explain you why. Than was your:

2x2=4. Kids understand it, but adults sometimes don't - I mean quite literarily: when I had to remind to a man who held Master's Degree in Economics that 2x2=4, he replied “2x2=4 is boring”. When it is not boring, it is not so hard to tell good from bad.

Again i tried to tell you that to tell good from bad is NOT so easy. That you can make mistake in this choice becouse you failed to see something important, not to mention that life is not black and white.

I understand you are confused. But let's not take them now.
How about Совесть?

And that is personal quality you know. Some cosider to be without it as great benefit.

Where were you (Russia) then?

Tryed to use legitimate tools. Well we were shown alright that they are useless, tons of negotiations with those who care only for thier own interests are useless. Action speaks louder. So if you cant change rules, follow them.

Let's compare Moldova and Kosovo, for example. Why Kosovo's independence is worse than Moldovan, uh?

and what is about Moldova?

Maybe, he naively thinks the Russia is the new growing empire of evil?
This very author said in 2007 he had for the first time the feeling that the Baltic States may not survive. Strange, for I also had the same feeling in 2007 for the first time. Now he says the Baltic States have to chill out... Pardon, no way.

Well life looses its taste if there is no empire of evil in the world . Nothing better to excuse all mistakes, ignorance and crimes than to say it is neccesaty to halt some empire of evil that stands against freedom, democracy and apple pie.
Who needs those baltic states? They arent worth the trouble. One can gain much more from cooperation with europe. It is as simple as your beloved 2x2=4 (in decimal system of course ). So if they wont start some war no one touches them.

[Yalta1945]

2x2=4 if we use system were 2 is present not to mention 4. Cant you get the idea that if you use binar system 2x2=4 is MEANINGLESS. There it will be 10x10=100.

In ANY numeral system two times two is four (2x2=4). 10x10=100 in binary system doen't mean ten times ten is a hundred (which would be true, anyway). It means the same equation: two times two is four - just written differently. In binary system, 2+2=4 is written this way: 10+10=100, meaning "two plus two is four"; and it DOES NOT MEAN anything different (it is not "ten plus ten equals hundred"). Different notation is aboslutely irrelevamt to the meaning, and 2x2 is ALWAYS 4 (even if four is written differently).
So I'm not going to any more comment on the statements that are BASED ON NONSENSE.

I understand you are confused. But let's not take them now.
How about Совесть?

And that is personal quality you know. Some cosider to be without it as great benefit.

Tell it to your people. You do not sound Russian at all.

[Yalta1945]

--> The reason of discontent in the Kremlin (reflected everyday on its brainwashing media) for NATO’s action in Kosovo is the fact that the former Yugoslavia was a kind of mini-Russia. Those in the Kremlin associate Milosevic’s regime with themselves. They supported Milosevic and they were the culprits for the failure in all diplomatic efforts to find a solution how to deal with the ugly affairs of the leadership of Yugoslavia against its non-Serb population. Russia had done nothing in effect to stop crimes against humanity in Kosovo. The intervention of NATO was therefore the only solution. Watching Yugoslavia to be stomped roused in the Kremlin as similar feelings of sympathy as the alien from the movie “Men in Black” had towards cockroaches stomped by humans. They were crying their crocodile... sorry, cockroach tears just because they had so much of sympathy for the butcher of Balkans.
--> NATO intervention was a precondition of the re-establishment of the rule of law in Kosovo. If one tries to find some historical precedent for the independence of Kosovo, it may be, I think, Israel. After the holocaust in Europe it was the natural idea for Jews to set up their own independent state. And if we accepted the independence of Moldova whose national identity is still not clearer than that of Kosovo (a part of Moldovans, maybe even the majority, considers their national identity to be Rumanian), why couldn’t we accept the independence of Kosovo?
--> While we talk of international law, it should be necessary to clarify what it means in this case.

[SiD]

In ANY numeral system two times two is four (2x2=4). 10x10=100 in binary system doen't mean ten times ten is a hundred (which would be true, anyway). It means the same equation: two times two is four - just written differently. In binary system, 2+2=4 is written this way: 10+10=100, meaning "two plus two is four"; and it DOES NOT MEAN anything different (it is not "ten plus ten equals hundred"). Different notation is aboslutely irrelevamt to the meaning, and 2x2 is ALWAYS 4 (even if four is written differently).
So I'm not going to any more comment on the statements that are BASED ON NONSENSE.

Forget about it. I see you cant understand. You would be right if we counted fingers but it is all not about fingers and not about numbers. Lets then i try another thing give me 10 things that are "good" and it is obvius as 2x2, just good without "if" and "or" without any dependance on cercamstances .good. Just good thing without explonations that could not become something bad. And 10 bad things, same as with good.

2x2=4. Kids understand it, but adults sometimes don't - I mean quite literarily: when I had to remind to a man who held Master's Degree in Economics that 2x2=4, he replied “2x2=4 is boring”. When it is not boring, it is not so hard to tell good from bad.

Tell it to your people. You do not sound Russian at all.

You do not sound logick at all. How "совесть" is related with abort and euthanasia that i asked you about? You mean if conscience allows so we must cosider it right? Or you think that there are no different opinions about this question?

[SiD]

--> The reason of discontent in the Kremlin (reflected everyday on its brainwashing media) for NATO’s action in Kosovo is the fact that the former Yugoslavia was a kind of mini-Russia. Those in the Kremlin associate Milosevic’s regime with themselves. They supported Milosevic and they were the culprits for the failure in all diplomatic efforts to find a solution how to deal with the ugly affairs of the leadership of Yugoslavia against its non-Serb population. Russia had done nothing in effect to stop crimes against humanity in Kosovo. The intervention of NATO was therefore the only solution. Watching Yugoslavia to be stomped roused in the Kremlin as similar feelings of sympathy as the alien from the movie “Men in Black” had towards cockroaches stomped by humans. They were crying their crocodile... sorry, cockroach tears just because they had so much of sympathy for the butcher of Balkans.
--> NATO intervention was a precondition of the re-establishment of the rule of law in Kosovo. If one tries to find some historical precedent for the independence of Kosovo, it may be, I think, Israel. After the holocaust in Europe it was the natural idea for Jews to set up their own independent state. And if we accepted the independence of Moldova whose national identity is still not clearer than that of Kosovo (a part of Moldovans, maybe even the majority, considers their national identity to be Rumanian), why couldn’t we accept the independence of Kosovo?
--> While we talk of international law, it should be necessary to clarify what it means in this case.

Than you should have no problems with recognition of S Osetia and Abkchazia.

NATO intervention was a precondition of the re-establishment of the rule of law in Kosovo

If by rule of law you understand tearing part of independent state than you should be happy that it is working fine in other regions.
And yes actualy we feel serbs as people close to us. It was so historicly. They are not "mini Russia" in way you put it, they are culturaly close to us. And it is realy great shame that we could not help. But time is not standing still.

[Yalta1945]

<...> Lets then i try another thing give me 10 things that are "good" and it is obvius as 2x2, just good without "if" and "or" without any dependance on cercamstances .good. Just good thing without explonations that could not become something bad. And 10 bad things, same as with good.

What does it mean when YOU write "10" - is it ten, two or, maybe four?
I'm not going to profess bad things. I'll tell what is good as II + II = IV , although Russian kids all must know a verse called "What is good, and what is bad" - "Что такое хорошо, что такое плохо". You should read it once again in case you forgot it.
If you need ten, here you are: 10 Commandments.

You do not sound logick at all. How "совесть" is related with abort and euthanasia that i asked you about? You mean if conscience allows so we must cosider it right? Or you think that there are no different opinions about this question?

It's not about logics but about something above logics that relates to everything, and it's about something that is above cleverness and stupidness. Even the one who is not especially clever has it.

[Yalta1945]

--> The reason of discontent in the Kremlin (reflected everyday on its brainwashing media) for NATO’s action in Kosovo is the fact that the former Yugoslavia was a kind of mini-Russia. Those in the Kremlin associate Milosevic’s regime with themselves. They supported Milosevic and they were the culprits for the failure in all diplomatic efforts to find a solution how to deal with the ugly affairs of the leadership of Yugoslavia against its non-Serb population. Russia had done nothing in effect to stop crimes against humanity in Kosovo. The intervention of NATO was therefore the only solution. Watching Yugoslavia to be stomped roused in the Kremlin as similar feelings of sympathy as the alien from the movie “Men in Black” had towards cockroaches stomped by humans. They were crying their crocodile... sorry, cockroach tears just because they had so much of sympathy for the butcher of Balkans.
--> NATO intervention was a precondition of the re-establishment of the rule of law in Kosovo. If one tries to find some historical precedent for the independence of Kosovo, it may be, I think, Israel. After the holocaust in Europe it was the natural idea for Jews to set up their own independent state. And if we accepted the independence of Moldova whose national identity is still not clearer than that of Kosovo (a part of Moldovans, maybe even the majority, considers their national identity to be Rumanian), why couldn’t we accept the independence of Kosovo?
--> While we talk of international law, it should be necessary to clarify what it means in this case.

Than you should have no problems with recognition of S Osetia and Abkchazia.

I have already pointed out Why Kosovo is different from South Ossetia
Citizens of Kosovo identify themselves as a separate national unit in need of independency. They do not accept citizenship of any other state and they do not declare any wish to join any other state.Russian citizens in South Ossetia do not fight for their independence – they fight for dependence as they want to join the Russian state. It’s an annexation plan for Russia. Even if Russian official for some reasons do not hurry to accept it, more important is however that the leaders of South Ossetian separatists declared their wish of joining Russia long ago and they repeated it just recently. There is no other place on the Earth where fraction of foreign state’s citizens decides on handing over the territory of their living to another state.
Before the declaration of dependence on Russia, actions of ethnic cleansing were perpetrated against ethnic Georgians who used to form a considerable part of population of South Ossetia until they were driven out of their homes and turned into refugees seeking shelters in other parts of Georgia. The same happened in Abkhazia where ethnic Georgians used to be in majority before the fighting. It’s not normal when some Russian citizen - who calls himself president of South Ossetia –seeks for annexation of the Georgian territory.

NATO intervention was a precondition of the re-establishment of the rule of law in Kosovo

If by rule of law you understand tearing part of independent state than you should be happy that it is working fine in other regions.

I have concentrated on the initial intervention of NATO, leaving the rest aside, for it is difficult to talk about everything at once. However, I consider your judgement biased.

And yes actualy we feel serbs as people close to us. It was so historicly. They are not "mini Russia" in way you put it, they are culturaly close to us. And it is realy great shame that we could not help. But time is not standing still.

You have long oppressed and repressed people who were even much closer to you than Serbs. You treat your own people as enemies. Russian power is still oppressing its own people. Critics of the Kremlin become targets. So do the defenders of the critics, their lawyers.
October 14, again: mercury found in the car of Karinna Moskalenko, A. Polikovskaya’s lawyer. The incident had prevented her from travelling to Moscow to take part in the trial of three suspected accomplices in the 2006 murder of the journalist and Kremlin critic A. Politkovskaya.
Earlier, you mentioned on this forum that Russia had to fight in Chechnya not only separatists but terrorists as well. The problem is that sometimes Russia just plays it as the name game – you are not so scrupulous about accusing anyone. As even A.Zakayev was also called a “terrorist”, everyone has ground to doubt the way facts are presented by Russia.

[SiD]

What does it mean when YOU write "10" - is it ten, two or, maybe four?
I'm not going to profess bad things. I'll tell what is good as II + II = IV , although Russian kids all must know a verse called "What is good, and what is bad" - "Что такое хорошо, что такое плохо". You should read it once again in case you forgot it.
If you need ten, here you are: 10 Commandments.

You could place at least one you know just to be sure , 10 is in decimal system, it is number of your fingers on hands.
You know you talk about kids too much , havent you left childhood yet? You know it is part of growing up. Things are LITTLE more complicated in the real world than they are in funny books for children like "What is good and what is bad". I hope you wont advise me to read Harry Poter to learn about magick .

It's not about logics but about something above logics that relates to everything, and it's about something that is above cleverness and stupidness. Even the one who is not especially clever has it.

I see, if you cant give answer you start to write non related nonsense.

[SiD]

I have already pointed out Why Kosovo is different from South Ossetia
Citizens of Kosovo identify themselves as a separate national unit in need of independency. They do not accept citizenship of any other state and they do not declare any wish to join any other state.Russian citizens in South Ossetia do not fight for their independence – they fight for dependence as they want to join the Russian state. It’s an annexation plan for Russia. Even if Russian official for some reasons do not hurry to accept it, more important is however that the leaders of South Ossetian separatists declared their wish of joining Russia long ago and they repeated it just recently. There is no other place on the Earth where fraction of foreign state’s citizens decides on handing over the territory of their living to another state.
Before the declaration of dependence on Russia, actions of ethnic cleansing were perpetrated against ethnic Georgians who used to form a considerable part of population of South Ossetia until they were driven out of their homes and turned into refugees seeking shelters in other parts of Georgia. The same happened in Abkhazia where ethnic Georgians used to be in majority before the fighting. It’s not normal when some Russian citizen - who calls himself president of South Ossetia –seeks for annexation of the Georgian territory.

And you have seen my answer. Kosovo wants to join EU and NATO alright. and there are not much serbs left ther now. So i wont call it difference.

I have concentrated on the initial intervention of NATO, leaving the rest aside, for it is difficult to talk about everything at once. However, I consider your judgement biased.

You cocentrated on DECLEARED reasons leaving results that could be seen as REAL reasons aside. You should better concentrate on whole picture not on one part.

You have long oppressed and repressed people who were even much closer to you than Serbs. You treat your own people as enemies. Russian power is still oppressing its own people. Critics of the Kremlin become targets. So do the defenders of the critics, their lawyers.
October 14, again: mercury found in the car of Karinna Moskalenko, A. Polikovskaya’s lawyer. The incident had prevented her from travelling to Moscow to take part in the trial of three suspected accomplices in the 2006 murder of the journalist and Kremlin critic A. Politkovskaya.
Earlier, you mentioned on this forum that Russia had to fight in Chechnya not only separatists but terrorists as well. The problem is that sometimes Russia just plays it as the name game – you are not so scrupulous about accusing anyone. As even A.Zakayev was also called a “terrorist”, everyone has ground to doubt the way facts are presented by Russia.

If kremlin wanted to KILL all critics than it would be WERY busy. There were and there are still many critics.
Oh but it is either problem that US sometimes see things that do not exist. There were terrorists in Chechnya it is undaubtfull.

[Yalta1945]

You could place at least one you know just to be sure , 10 is in decimal system, it is number of your fingers on hands.

Yes, and you proved by your previous posts that you were not able to understand neither 2x2=4, nor that 10 meant ten – by having been arguing the former equation, and keeping writing such stuff as “10+10=100”. And if you haven’t heard of 10 Commandments, then take the Bible and read them. Please educate a bit yourself.

You know you talk about kids too much , havent you left childhood yet?

What do you have against kids and childhood? In case you had a hard childhood or if you were an orphan, I could understand you to a certain extent. However, it would not make such books as “What is good, what is bad” useless. They contain quite simple examples that people should start learning from their earliest days. This must be one of their first lessons. If you missed it, it’s never too late to read it. You asked me for some simple examples of what was good and what was bad, so I recommended you this book.
I also hope that your scornful remark does not mean that you had not a slightest understanding of how important education of children would be for the future of society. Have you also anything against pedagogy and paediatrics, and specialist working in this field?
I am actually not so surprised about your remark: as the one who is so dedicated to advocating Russian chauvinism, militarism and inhuman behaviour in Caucasus, you might not be interested in the peaceful fields. You must be far way from the civilization who’s heroes are such persons as Jean-Marie Gustave Le Clézio, this year Nobel prize winner in literature (as he also “sinned” by his books for children Lullaby, Balaabilou, and so on).
I actually teach and train some children, and I am sure they will never be just like dumb Putinjugend in Russia:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 91,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... -2,00.html
The Nashi Movement: Russian Youth and the Putin Cult - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

I have already pointed out Why Kosovo is different from South Ossetia
Citizens of Kosovo identify themselves as a separate national unit in need of independency. They do not accept citizenship of any other state and they do not declare any wish to join any other state.Russian citizens in South Ossetia do not fight for their independence – they fight for dependence as they want to join the Russian state. It’s an annexation plan for Russia. Even if Russian official for some reasons do not hurry to accept it, more important is however that the leaders of South Ossetian separatists declared their wish of joining Russia long ago and they repeated it just recently. There is no other place on the Earth where fraction of foreign state’s citizens decides on handing over the territory of their living to another state.
Before the declaration of dependence on Russia, actions of ethnic cleansing were perpetrated against ethnic Georgians who used to form a considerable part of population of South Ossetia until they were driven out of their homes and turned into refugees seeking shelters in other parts of Georgia. The same happened in Abkhazia where ethnic Georgians used to be in majority before the fighting. It’s not normal when some Russian citizen - who calls himself president of South Ossetia –seeks for annexation of the Georgian territory.

And you have seen my answer.

No. Answering by going around the question is not an answer. It was good for the Soviet bureaucrats only.
“Ivanov was wrong in discriminating me”, complained Petrov.
“We investigated your complaint and we found it was actually not Ivanov but Sidorov. Second, we found out that the only minor fault Sidorov might have been guilty of relates to his sister-in-law. Unfortunately, both of them died fourteen years ago.”
“But I complained about Ivanov, not Sidorov!”, insisted Petrov.
“You have already seen our answer”, replied a bureaucrat.

I have concentrated on the initial intervention of NATO, leaving the rest aside, for it is difficult to talk about everything at once. However, I consider your judgement biased.

You cocentrated on DECLEARED reasons leaving results that could be seen as REAL reasons aside. You should better concentrate on whole picture not on one part.

That was the whole picture. Without an intervention attrocities would have only gone on, and nobody would have been brought to justice.

You have long oppressed and repressed people who were even much closer to you than Serbs. You treat your own people as enemies. Russian power is still oppressing its own people. Critics of the Kremlin become targets. So do the defenders of the critics, their lawyers.
October 14, again: mercury found in the car of Karinna Moskalenko, A. Polikovskaya’s lawyer. The incident had prevented her from travelling to Moscow to take part in the trial of three suspected accomplices in the 2006 murder of the journalist and Kremlin critic A. Politkovskaya.

If kremlin wanted to KILL all critics than it would be WERY busy. There were and there are still many critics.

That's right - they are still busy. I don't think Moskalenko will be one of the last cases.

[SiD]

Yes, and you proved by your previous posts that you were not able to understand neither 2x2=4, nor that 10 meant ten – by having been arguing the former equation, and keeping writing such stuff as “10+10=100”. And if you haven’t heard of 10 Commandments, then take the Bible and read them. Please educate a bit yourself.

10+10=100 in binar system it is unquestionable truth like 2x2=4 in decimal, you can quess what system is were 2x2=11. If you do not see difference than you just havent used any different system from decimal, becouse if you did you could find out that sometimes decimal system is not so convinient. Just start to read some books that are not writen for children. You see if i have written 10 in binar system it is not same 10 that is in decimal, in decimal it is 2, if i write 100 in binar it is not 100 in decimal it is 4. If you use binar system you will have 101 finger on your hand . If you count all your fingers on your hands and legs using hex system you will have 14 fingers and you see it is not untrue. Some numbers exists in system you choose some dont for example A, B in hex, are meaningless in dec. like 5x2 is not 10 in hex it is A. It is not commonly used in life but it doesnt means it is untrue. for example we multiplied 2 on 5 you say it is 10, i say it is A. If we used dec system you right if we used hex i am right. i do not know how could it be put simpler. So if we use different systems your answers are not suitable for me, understood? ( and to link this to initial disagreement there are different systems of values and one cant just impose his vision of life on others, there must be freedom of choice)
I could take bible, but is word works realy according those rules? I already pointed you policeman.

What do you have against kids and childhood? In case you had a hard childhood or if you were an orphan, I could understand you to a certain extent. However, it would not make such books as “What is good, what is bad” useless. They contain quite simple examples that people should start learning from their earliest days. This must be one of their first lessons. If you missed it, it’s never too late to read it. You asked me for some simple examples of what was good and what was bad, so I recommended you this book.
I also hope that your scornful remark does not mean that you had not a slightest understanding of how important education of children would be for the future of society. Have you also anything against pedagogy and paediatrics, and specialist working in this field?
I am actually not so surprised about your remark: as the one who is so dedicated to advocating Russian chauvinism, militarism and inhuman behaviour in Caucasus, you might not be interested in the peaceful fields. You must be far way from the civilization who’s heroes are such persons as Jean-Marie Gustave Le Clézio, this year Nobel prize winner in literature (as he also “sinned” by his books for children Lullaby, Balaabilou, and so on).
I actually teach and train some children, and I am sure they will never be just like dumb Putinjugend in Russia:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 91,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... -2,00.html
The Nashi Movement: Russian Youth and the Putin Cult - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

You see child is child. If you think that you do not need to learn after you read some childbooks i am happy for you. And if you havent learned anything besides chilbooks and havent left childhood yet than life is trully simple for you. I think it is not normall wenn 20 years man (for example) is at same level as 8 years old. And of course must be DIFFERENCE in treatment, wenn you treat adult like a child it is offending (parhaps not for you?). And of course not EVERYTHING is allowed to know for a child . And of course say " naive as a child " do not say for you anything . Parhaps wenn you will finaly enter adulthood you can understand why Putin is so popular.

No. Answering by going around the question is not an answer. It was good for the Soviet bureaucrats only.
“Ivanov was wrong in discriminating me”, complained Petrov.
“We investigated your complaint and we found it was actually not Ivanov but Sidorov. Second, we found out that the only minor fault Sidorov might have been guilty of relates to his sister-in-law. Unfortunately, both of them died fourteen years ago.”
“But I complained about Ivanov, not Sidorov!”, insisted Petrov.
“You have already seen our answer”, replied a bureaucrat.

My answer was quite clear and understandable. Of course for ones who read it, not pointlessly posting some something about burrocrats.

That was the whole picture. Without an intervention attrocities would have only gone on, and nobody would have been brought to justice.

Whole picture includes methods and results. Or you want to say that ends : bring someone to justice (declared) is justifying any means?

That's right - they are still busy. I don't think Moskalenko will be one of the last cases.

They arent in great haste than . After 150 years one can accuse cremlin in killing its every present critic in the world .

[Yalta1945]

Yes, and you proved by your previous posts that you were not able to understand neither 2x2=4, nor that 10 meant ten – by having been arguing the former equation, and keeping writing such stuff as “10+10=100”. And if you haven’t heard of 10 Commandments, then take the Bible and read them. Please educate a bit yourself.

10+10=100 in binar system it is unquestionable truth like 2x2=4 in decimal, you can quess what system is were 2x2=11. <(and so on)>

Thanks for making me laugh finally.
I can't help laughing because your attachment/adiction to repeating the same nonsenses is just unbelievably unbearable.

Can we finally agree on using decimal system on this forum in writing numbers or not? Please
BTW, read for yourself loudly 2x2=11, pronounce it, name the numbers... uhh! (Should I write like II + II = IV for your convenience?)

I could take bible, but is word works realy according those rules? I already pointed you policeman.

Give me a favour: read my answer to that poor policeman once again; just read honestly and cleverly, if you can.

What do you have against kids and childhood? <...>

And of course must be DIFFERENCE in treatment, wenn you treat adult like a child it is offending (parhaps not for you?). And of course not EVERYTHING is allowed to know for a child . And of course say " naive as a child " do not say for you anything . Parhaps wenn you will finaly enter adulthood you can understand why Putin is so popular.

Croaking songs are popular among frogs.
Learning is a gradual process. If one missed a certain lesson long ago, one can do it now. It's never late to learn.
There are more better sayings. The Book that you didn't looked into contains them. For example: whoever doesn't receive the Kingdom of God like a little child, he will in no way enter into it.

My answer was quite clear and understandable. Of course for ones who read it, not pointlessly posting some something about burrocrats.

I could check it once more, but your answers were generally of two types: "loops" and "mantras". It could have been a mantra which you always repeated despite any arguments in opposition to it.

That was the whole picture. Without an intervention attrocities would have only gone on, and nobody would have been brought to justice.

Whole picture includes methods and results. Or you want to say that ends : bring someone to justice (declared) is justifying any means?

No, the end was that they were stopped. That's the power politics you like so much, don't you? Only this time it was fruitfull. You like this kind of politics but you don't like the result, because NATO being right contradicts your dogmas. Especially painful must be when Europe and the USA are not apart. The very name USA seems to cause pain for your reflexes.

[Yalta1945]

Yes, and you proved by your previous posts that you were not able to understand neither 2x2=4, nor that 10 meant ten – by having been arguing the former equation, and keeping writing such stuff as “10+10=100”. And if you haven’t heard of 10 Commandments, then take the Bible and read them. Please educate a bit yourself.

10+10=100 in binar system it is unquestionable truth like 2x2=4 in decimal, you can quess what system is were 2x2=11. <(and so on)>

Thanks for making me laugh finally.
I can't help laughing because your attachment/adiction to repeating the same nonsenses is just unbelievably unbearable.

Can we finally agree on using decimal system on this forum in writing numbers or not? Please
BTW, read for yourself loudly 2x2=11, pronounce it, name the numbers... uhh! (Should I write like II + II = IV for your convenience?)

I could take bible, but is word works realy according those rules? I already pointed you policeman.

Give me a favour: read my answer to that poor policeman once again; just read honestly and cleverly, if you can.

What do you have against kids and childhood? <...>

<...> And of course must be DIFFERENCE in treatment, wenn you treat adult like a child it is offending (parhaps not for you?). And of course not EVERYTHING is allowed to know for a child . And of course say " naive as a child " do not say for you anything . Parhaps wenn you will finaly enter adulthood you can understand why Putin is so popular.

Croaking songs are popular among frogs.
Learning is a gradual process. If one missed a certain lesson long ago, one can do it now. It's never late to learn.
There are more better sayings. The Book that you didn't looked into contains them. For example: whoever doesn't receive the Kingdom of God like a little child, he will in no way enter into it.

My answer was quite clear and understandable. Of course for ones who read it, not pointlessly posting some something about burrocrats.

I could check it once more, but your answers were generally of two types: "loops" and "mantras". It could have been a mantra which you always repeated despite any arguments in opposition to it.

That was the whole picture. Without an intervention attrocities would have only gone on, and nobody would have been brought to justice.

Whole picture includes methods and results. Or you want to say that ends : bring someone to justice (declared) is justifying any means?

No, the end was that they were stopped. That's the power politics you like so much, don't you? Only this time it was fruitfull. You like this kind of politics but you don't like the result, because NATO being right contradicts your dogmas. Especially painful must be when Europe and the USA are not apart. The very name USA seems to cause pain for your reflexes.

[SiD]

Yes, and you proved by your previous posts that you were not able to understand neither 2x2=4, nor that 10 meant ten – by having been arguing the former equation, and keeping writing such stuff as “10+10=100”. And if you haven’t heard of 10 Commandments, then take the Bible and read them. Please educate a bit yourself.

10+10=100 in binar system it is unquestionable truth like 2x2=4 in decimal, you can quess what system is were 2x2=11. <(and so on)>

Thanks for making me laugh finally.
I can't help laughing because your attachment/adiction to repeating the same nonsenses is just unbelievably unbearable.

Can we finally agree on using decimal system on this forum in writing numbers or not? Please
BTW, read for yourself loudly 2x2=11, pronounce it, name the numbers... uhh! (Should I write like II + II = IV for your convenience?)

Good that you laughing, your teacher would cry, but i think he dont cares.

[Yalta1945]

Yes, and you proved by your previous posts that you were not able to understand neither 2x2=4, nor that 10 meant ten – by having been arguing the former equation, and keeping writing such stuff as “10+10=100”. And if you haven’t heard of 10 Commandments, then take the Bible and read them. Please educate a bit yourself.

10+10=100 in binar system it is unquestionable truth like 2x2=4 in decimal, you can quess what system is were 2x2=11. <(and so on)>

Thanks for making me laugh finally.
I can't help laughing because your attachment/adiction to repeating the same nonsenses is just unbelievably unbearable.

Can we finally agree on using decimal system on this forum in writing numbers or not? Please
BTW, read for yourself loudly 2x2=11, pronounce it, name the numbers... uhh! (Should I write like II + II = IV for your convenience?)

Good that you laughing, your teacher would cry, but i think he dont cares.

In a way, as he's dead.
The teacher who made me love programming died. I studied higher mathematics when people in the USSR did not know a PC.
It was so long ago and everything, including me, was so different that it feels like childhood now, although it was not.
(So, it was double fun to read how a chick taught a hen.)

[SiD]

In a way, as he's dead.
The teacher who made me love programming died. I studied higher mathematics when people in the USSR did not know a PC.
It was so long ago and everything, including me, was so different that it feels like childhood now, although it was not.
(So, it was double fun to read how a chick taught a hen.)

Good thing your teacher cant see your posts than.

Give me a favour: read my answer to that poor policeman once again; just read honestly and cleverly, if you can.

If you say “a man killed another man” – it’s in a grey zone, because all we know that this might happen also in self-defence or in defence of other peoples’ lives. It also might be homicide or it might be manslaughter… It depends. Policeman is also a man subject to the rule of law.

There is our poor policeman. Who will answer according to law not bible.

Croaking songs are popular among frogs.
Learning is a gradual process. If one missed a certain lesson long ago, one can do it now. It's never late to learn.
There are more better sayings. The Book that you didn't looked into contains them. For example: whoever doesn't receive the Kingdom of God like a little child, he will in no way enter into it.

Well you have deffinatly missed your lessons about free will and freedom of choice. Not too late to search some child book about it for you.

I could check it once more, but your answers were generally of two types: "loops" and "mantras". It could have been a mantra which you always repeated despite any arguments in opposition to it.

Let me remind you:


Citizens of Kosovo are ready to join EU and NATO any day of the week. Parhaps i oppened america for you? SURPRISE!!!!


What else could they possibly join? CIS or Russia cannot train good civil servants. Russia is not the country to provide assistance with good governance and anti-corruption rules. Without traditions of the rule of law (that's why Gorbachev invented the term "pravovoye gosudarstvo"), with high corruption and criminality, what can you offer them? With so widespread xenophobia, imperialist thinking, and disrespect to basic human rights, what type of behaviour can you teach them? With so miserable attitude to free and critical media, fair elections, and other democratic values, with extreme greediness what values can you propagate? And don't be surprised if Kosovars dislike you after your unconditional support of Milosevic. The EU has capacity to provide the assistance Kosovars are in need.

SiD wrote:
How many serbs are in Kosovo now?! How many were before?! Look at those who you admire actions before try to blacken others.

You should have better started from the point when Milosevic promissed 'nobody will touch you' - and what happened afterwards. And don't forget that the EU aims at bringing all criminals to justice. If you examine the list of those to be tried, you'll see it includes surnames of all sides.

But you still repeat again and again that difference between Kosovo and S Osetia is that S Osetia wants to join Russia. And of course fact that serbs were in fact trown out from Kosovo do not impress you at all. While georgians who were turn into refugees is your great concern. i dont see difference if it was georgian forced to live his home or serb.

No, the end was that they were stopped. That's the power politics you like so much, don't you? Only this time it was fruitfull. You like this kind of politics but you don't like the result, because NATO being right contradicts your dogmas. Especially painful must be when Europe and the USA are not apart. The very name USA seems to cause pain for your reflexes.

So ends justify the means after all? georgians were stopped from destroing Skchinvalli and S Osetia and Abkchazia are now independent so it is fruitfull too.
I dont like this kind of politics, but it exists whanever i like it or not. In your posts i actualy see your own dogma about Russia being alwais wrong and bad. And of course Russia being right is absolutly unacceptable to you. of course unbelivable for you that someone can just have good relations with Russia, like its culture, and sometimes even show desire for integration.

[Yalta1945]

If you say “a man killed another man” – it’s in a grey zone, because all we know that this might happen also in self-defence or in defence of other peoples’ lives. It also might be homicide or it might be manslaughter… It depends. Policeman is also a man subject to the rule of law.

There is our poor policeman. Who will answer according to law not bible.

Of course, it depends, cause it can mean quite different things. One should formulate one's thoughts clearly. The sentence has to be as clear as possible and it must be complete. If you say just "half the truth" - it's not the truth, it's a lie. But I'm not sure you can understand what I am saying about the usage of language if you still have not grasped what was said about numbers.
I also guess you are confused about the relationship between law and morality. The only thing I can suggest - study.

Well you have deffinatly missed your lessons about free will and freedom of choice.

I could check it once more, but your answers were generally of two types: "loops" and "mantras". It could have been a mantra which you always repeated despite any arguments in opposition to it.

Let me remind you:

Citizens of Kosovo are ready to join EU and NATO any day of the week. Parhaps i oppened america for you? SURPRISE!!!!

What else could they possibly join? CIS or Russia cannot train good civil servants. Russia is not the country to provide assistance with good governance and anti-corruption rules. Without traditions of the rule of law (that's why Gorbachev invented the term "pravovoye gosudarstvo"), with high corruption and criminality, what can you offer them? With so widespread xenophobia, imperialist thinking, and disrespect to basic human rights, what type of behaviour can you teach them? With so miserable attitude to free and critical media, fair elections, and other democratic values, with extreme greediness what values can you propagate? And don't be surprised if Kosovars dislike you after your unconditional support of Milosevic. The EU has capacity to provide the assistance Kosovars are in need.

SiD wrote:
How many serbs are in Kosovo now?! How many were before?! Look at those who you admire actions before try to blacken others.

You should have better started from the point when Milosevic promissed 'nobody will touch you' - and what happened afterwards. And don't forget that the EU aims at bringing all criminals to justice. If you examine the list of those to be tried, you'll see it includes surnames of all sides.

But you still repeat again and again that difference between Kosovo and S Osetia is that S Osetia wants to join Russia. And of course fact that serbs were in fact trown out from Kosovo do not impress you at all. While georgians who were turn into refugees is your great concern. i dont see difference if it was georgian forced to live his home or serb.

I can subscribe once again to what I said about "Why Kosovo is different from South Ossetia" It must be on page number 4 (four! ) I don't repeat it here, as these passages become too floody, indeed. Who is that subject S.Ossetia who "wants to join Russia"? Do you mean incorporation by "joining"?
Well, actually do you have some competence to explain it in terms of international law? Do you understand the question?

No, the end was that they were stopped. That's the power politics you like so much, don't you? Only this time it was fruitfull. You like this kind of politics but you don't like the result, because NATO being right contradicts your dogmas. Especially painful must be when Europe and the USA are not apart. The very name USA seems to cause pain for your reflexes.

So ends justify the means after all? georgians were stopped from destroing Skchinvalli and S Osetia and Abkchazia are now independent so it is fruitfull too.
I dont like this kind of politics, but it exists whanever i like it or not. In your posts i actualy see your own dogma about Russia being alwais wrong and bad. And of course Russia being right is absolutly unacceptable to you. of course unbelivable for you that someone can just have good relations with Russia, like its culture, and sometimes even show desire for integration.

I guess Russia could inflict much greater damage to Tskhinvali - it would be Russia’s usual unscrupulousness in means, marked in many other cases. The scenario of war was certainly different from that presented by you. Russia started the war. First of all, the war was not started on August but much earlier. As for the escalation that started in August, see the topic “Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia?”. Therefore I cannot call this aggressive action “fruitful” – just the opposite.
We need a good policeman who knows what kind of means is appropriate. Who is going to be the one? Russia?
You’re exaggerating (and you must know it yourself). I don’t think views which you have posted so far represent the future of Russia. I'd still like to dream of better Russia.
Generally, if the mirror of Russian foreign and domestic policy is bad, don’t blame the mirror. But I’m used to see this behaviour; I’d be more surprised to see something good in Russia’s foreign policy and in your attitudes to near countries.

[SiD]

Of course, it depends, cause it can mean quite different things. One should formulate one's thoughts clearly. The sentence has to be as clear as possible and it must be complete. If you say just "half the truth" - it's not the truth, it's a lie. But I'm not sure you can understand what I am saying about the usage of language if you still have not grasped what was said about numbers.
I also guess you are confused about the relationship between law and morality. The only thing I can suggest - study.

SiD wrote:
Well you have deffinatly missed your lessons about free will and freedom of choice.

Return to page 1.

The freedom of choice between good and bad or between right and wrong as well as between wise and dumb would be a silly choice of freedom , not to say more.
I can't believe you argue against the rule of law.
Dislike the good government talk? Well, we could change if for good governance. Good governance and anti-corruption rules are at the mainstream in the European Union.

It's the problem of some segment of the contemporary society that they make a mess of things which should be simple. White is white, black is black, but if you see grey it means you see grey.
I don’t know if you ever saw an old film (made in the Soviet time) where it is shown how the unilateral opinion of a group may have such impact on the behaviour of an individual that he (it was a man) cannot tell the simplest truth when he sees black colour. If everybody before him says “white”, he also says “white”. One of the laws of social psychology. Social psychology means experimentally proved laws, that is, pure science (without medieval prejudices [not like Machiavellism]).
2x2=4. Kids understand it, but adults sometimes don't - I mean quite literarily: when I had to remind to a man who held Master's Degree in Economics that 2x2=4, he replied “2x2=4 is boring”. When it is not boring, it is not so hard to tell good from bad.

And this is to our little policeman and numbers. You see if everything is evident and obvius why do we need to find out details? Why to clarify something you call quite clear?

I can subscribe once again to what I said about "Why Kosovo is different from South Ossetia" It must be on page number 4 (four! ) I don't repeat it here, as these passages become too floody, indeed. Who is that subject S.Ossetia who "wants to join Russia"? Do you mean incorporation by "joining"?
Well, actually do you have some competence to explain it in terms of international law? Do you understand the question?

I have already pointed out Why Kosovo is different from South Ossetia
Citizens of Kosovo identify themselves as a separate national unit in need of independency. They do not accept citizenship of any other state and they do not declare any wish to join any other state.

Citizens of S osetia do the same. If some of them wants to have Russia citizenship they are FREE to do so. Why should we declain? Like for example GB wont denie citizenship just becouse some man is from Kosovo.
And as now INDEPENDENT country they can deside thier own destiny.
And if Kosovo suddenly desided to enter Russian Federation if thier independence is recognized would you support it than?

I guess Russia could inflict much greater damage to Tskhinvali - it would be Russia’s usual unscrupulousness in means, marked in many other cases. The scenario of war was certainly different from that presented by you. Russia started the war. First of all, the war was not started on August but much earlier. As for the escalation that started in August, see the topic “Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia?”. Therefore I cannot call this aggressive action “fruitful” – just the opposite.
We need a good policeman who knows what kind of means is appropriate. Who is going to be the one? Russia?
You’re exaggerating (and you must know it yourself). I don’t think views which you have posted so far represent the future of Russia. I'd still like to dream of better Russia.
Generally, if the mirror of Russian foreign and domestic policy is bad, don’t blame the mirror. But I’m used to see this behaviour; I’d be more surprised to see something good in Russia’s foreign policy and in your attitudes to near countries.

You just provoke me to remember our US partners. Everyone are SO MUCH scourpulous wenn it comes to bombs. And you re right strugle of S Osetia began not in ougust it is almost century old. Actualy you can see 1918 year.
Well well well. You see this policeman had already shown that he wants to stand above the law. As you said and i agree policemann must abide law like everybody else. More than that he must guard it.
Actualy i doubt i exaggerated. Even if i will search entire forum i doubt i can find any good word said about Russia by you, or were you agreed that Russia is right. (i would be even glad if you prove me wrong)
You see your problem is that you just cant exept anyone who holds power in Russia. You call them tyrants or murderers, criminals and so on. No need to wait for some magickan to come and suddenly change Russia into something you would love, becouse it wont happen. i certainly do not wait this from any country.
Actualy i think our government priority is for citizens to see positive changes not to prove it to the world. And i cant doubt that there ARE positive changes. In foreign policy finaly our government is deffending our national interests, and that is REALY positive to me. And if someone (baltic states in particular) feel insecure than you need to remind them that they are part of collective security not alone in the wood.

[Yalta1945]

I can subscribe once again to what I said about "Why Kosovo is different from South Ossetia" It must be on page number 4 (four! ) I don't repeat it here, as these passages become too floody, indeed. Who is that subject S.Ossetia who "wants to join Russia"? Do you mean incorporation by "joining"?
Well, actually do you have some competence to explain it in terms of international law? Do you understand the question?

I have already pointed out Why Kosovo is different from South Ossetia
Citizens of Kosovo identify themselves as a separate national unit in need of independency. They do not accept citizenship of any other state and they do not declare any wish to join any other state.

Citizens of S osetia do the same. If some of them wants to have Russia citizenship they are FREE to do so.

Not true.
Citizenship of South Ossetia and the organization formed by Russian citizens living in South Ossetia is not recognized internationally. These are mainly Russian citizens and Russian officials who may prefer to be called citizens of South Ossetia now. It might even be that 90% of the population left in S.Ossetia are citizens of another state. Nothing of this kind exists in Kosovo, or anywhere else.
Citizens of foreign countries do not set up new states on the territory of their residence. If we followed the new trend of Russia, we would end up with the conclusion that “Berlin’s Russians” and ‘Florida’s Russians” have the right to proclaim independence and join Russia together with their place of residence.
There are no such nations or ethnicities as “South Ossetians” and “North Ossetians” – they are just Ossetians. South Ossetia is a province in Georgia, while North Ossetia is a province in Russia. A separate identity of “South Ossetians” has never existed. Albania and Kosovo (or Kosova) had been split by their distinct histories and they have developed distinct identities. Kosovars are not part of the Albanian nation, although their roots are similar.
Genocide took place in Kosovo, whereas it was not the case in S.Ossetia.
South Ossetia was ethnically cleansed from Georgians. There has been no free, fair and representative expression of will in regard to self-government, and there have not been free and fair elections to result in the legitimate formation of the representative body of the province.
If we analyze step by step the developments in the province, we will see clearer how an aggressive politics of Russia resulted in the current state of matters in the province.
Imagine, if you were a Georgian and Kokoity offered you a “free choice”: leave the province or be dead. You flee, then they would “democratically” divide your property and nobody would ever ask for your will…

I guess Russia could inflict much greater damage to Tskhinvali - it would be Russia’s usual unscrupulousness in means, marked in many other cases. The scenario of war was certainly different from that presented by you. Russia started the war. First of all, the war was not started on August but much earlier. As for the escalation that started in August, see the topic “Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia?”. Therefore I cannot call this aggressive action “fruitful” – just the opposite.
We need a good policeman who knows what kind of means is appropriate. Who is going to be the one? Russia?
You’re exaggerating (and you must know it yourself). I don’t think views which you have posted so far represent the future of Russia. I'd still like to dream of better Russia.
Generally, if the mirror of Russian foreign and domestic policy is bad, don’t blame the mirror. But I’m used to see this behaviour; I’d be more surprised to see something good in Russia’s foreign policy and in your attitudes to near countries.

You just provoke me to remember our US partners. Everyone are SO MUCH scourpulous wenn it comes to bombs. And you re right strugle of S Osetia began not in ougust it is almost century old. Actualy you can see 1918 year.

Good that you mentioned bombs. I saw an interesting film on the Moscow bombing which led to the start of another war in Chechnya. “The end justifies means?” Have your president told you who was behind the bombing..?
Were they more scrupulous in Chechnya than Americans in Iraq? (The same about saving lives in Beslan and Moscow theatre.)
IF we took the argument of struggle of South Ossetia (btw,without North Ossetia?) to justify their claim for independence, what it would imply for Chechnya? Their struggle is more than a century old…
But double or triple and quadruple standards look all right to the Kremlin. They take Kosovo as the precedent to justify their actions in relation to Abkhazia and South Ossetia without having recognized this very precedent.
Consistency is absent when they explain Russian foreign policy. Russia used to stand firm on refusing the recognition of independence of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Chechnya, Kosovo, Nagorno-Karabakh/Artsakh, North Cyprus, and Transnistria/Transdniestria. What has changed? Russia saw an “Opportunity”? It should now try better to explain how Abkhazia and S.Ossetia is different.
And if Russian citizens are so much of concern, why did Russia abandon them in Turkmenistan?
Russia does not care of convincing principles to rely upon in providing legitimization of its actions. It behaves like a hooligan. One must consider whether it is not set by its leadership. Litvinenko used to call those in the Kremlin “shpana”, and he was familiar with the guys.

Well well well. You see this policeman had already shown that he wants to stand above the law. As you said and i agree policemann must abide law like everybody else. More than that he must guard it.

Well well well. And who is going to take up the role?

Actualy i doubt i exaggerated. Even if i will search entire forum i doubt i can find any good word said about Russia by you, or were you agreed that Russia is right. (i would be even glad if you prove me wrong)
You see your problem is that you just cant exept anyone who holds power in Russia. You call them tyrants or murderers, criminals and so on. No need to wait for some magickan to come and suddenly change Russia into something you would love, becouse it wont happen. i certainly do not wait this from any country.
Actualy i think our government priority is for citizens to see positive changes not to prove it to the world. And i cant doubt that there ARE positive changes. In foreign policy finaly our government is deffending our national interests, and that is REALY positive to me. And if someone (baltic states in particular) feel insecure than you need to remind them that they are part of collective security not alone in the wood.

You definitly exaggerated it. I let myself dream of the better Russia even when its behaviour and your comments could have made me despise you. I just knew that Russians were not all imperialistic and that things might change. Were I so sure that Russia was the irreparable evil, and were I so sure of other things; I would have not wasted so much time on you…
But the vision of your government described in your last paragraph is by far too pink.

[Faw_Peter]

Recently I heard that Serbia has just expelled the Montenegrin embassador and closed its own in Skopje, why did it do that?