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[Karl.in.eu]

There are many questions the world would like to know answers to.

But one of them is a very tricky one: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia?

The debates over this question are growing in tense day by day. There are arguments for each side.


What is your personal position about this?

Please vote in this poll in order to see what users of this forum think is the right answer

Thank you very much, all of you.

[kimi1990]

that will not have anu resoult, russians are more than georgians.. so resoult will be georgians , but that's not true

[Karl.in.eu]

that will not have anu resoult, russians are more than georgians.. so resoult will be georgians , but that's not true

The poll doesn’t say so.
Who knows what will be the final result...

[IamGEORGIA]

There is no more simple question than this one..
RUSSIA of course..

[independent]

There was a poll about that in CNN - somebody claimed that there was
some 300'000 answers and result was that 92% believe it was Georgia itself.

I tried to check result from CNN but it was not going anymore - so this is only secondhand
information. If anyone knows how to find old poll results from CNN please inform.

[IamGEORGIA]

There was a poll about that in CNN - somebody claimed that there was
some 300'000 answers and result was that 92% believe it was Georgia itself.

I tried to check result from CNN but it was not going anymore - so this is only secondhand
information. If anyone knows how to find old poll results from CNN please inform.

i dont remember such thing..
I am checkin site on everyday basis..
But there were some other kinds of questions..

[independent]

i dont remember such thing..
I am checkin site on everyday basis..
But there were some other kinds of questions..

I find out that there had been that kind of poll - but I never seen results
myself. It is pity that I couldn't find any archive of old polls. I really would
like to see the results my self.

[Ann from Russia]

Of course, Georgia! Ossetians will never forgive you for genocide!

[IamGEORGIA]

Of course, Georgia! Ossetians will never forgive you for genocide!

Keep your mouth closed...better for you and for the rest..
You have no right speeking about anything..

[M.Helen]

you can't make us shut up. This forum gives us an opportunity to express our opinions. So if Ann thinks so, it's her opinion.
What I think is that Georgia started the war, by trying to remove the peacemaking forces from South Osetia.

[SiD]

Of course, Georgia! Ossetians will never forgive you for genocide!

Keep your mouth closed...better for you and for the rest..
You have no right speeking about anything..

That speaks volums for itself. And you call us totalitar? Look at the miror!!! I think it is how things work in your country but not in mine and not here.

[Lenus]

Russians.

They started it, inspired it, papmered it, supplied it, provoked it, bombed and annihilated the georgian army.

There is one question though still worries me:

If Russians claim they have responcibility of their citizens, shouldn't they be responcible too for their actions???

Russian citizens of Abkhazia attacked Georgians and took hostages and killed people, never mind Ossetian MIlitia (its another SUbject).

Russians, what do you have to say for youself?

[Vittorio1964]

Hello everybody!
Is it really important to know who was the first?
Russia is the last force on the planet at the moment to stop US world dictate. That's why I think mericans do everything to make Russia weak and silenceness.So it doesn't matter for US who is the next victim: Georgia, Ukrain, Poland etc. The main aim of them is to demolish Russia. And after that they will be really THE BIG BOSS of the world and who knows, Georgians, if they still will help you. Afraid they will simply forget about you like about used thing. Think about it before you sell Russia.

[Lenus]

Vittorio,

There is one significant downside to you reasoning: What about Europe? It will surely remain as a Superpower. China's next, so we don't HAVE to have Russia as a world power to stop USA's unilateral ruling of the world.

On the other hand, you bring up very interesting point: Most Europeans try to support Russia only for not making the Americans stronger.

Its about what you stand for and not who you stand by, I believe.

[Lenus]

As to who was first.
Complicated question,

Ossetians started shooting firts,
Georgians started Bombing first,
Russians started a war first.

[SiD]

As to who was first.
Complicated question,

Ossetians started shooting firts,
Georgians started Bombing first,
Russians started a war first.

Main point is why georgians started bombing if they knew what would happen. They had no other choice? Why then Saakashvili was talking about paecefull solution right before lunching military operetion against S Osetia? Changed his mind so quickly? Why FIRST session of UN security councill was assembled by Russia not Georgia?

[Vittorio1964]

Dear Lenus
Do you really beleive in Europe as a Superpower? It's under US control almost.Sooner or later EU agree with every amercan idea .The same is China. Too dependant from merican market. And only russian nuclear weapon is the main pain in merican back.I don't like alot of things in Russia. But most of all I don't like the situation when the only one BIG boss will decide what is good or bad on this planet.

[Andres]

There was a poll about that in CNN - somebody claimed that there was
some 300'000 answers and result was that 92% believe it was Georgia itself.

I tried to check result from CNN but it was not going anymore - so this is only secondhand
information. If anyone knows how to find old poll results from CNN please inform.

The question was:

Do you think Russia`s actions in Georgia are justified?
Yes -- it's peacekeeping
No -- it's an invasion

The result was how you said before, about 90% for answer ( Yes -- it's peacekeeping )

P.S. It`s from my memory, i don`t know how to find it now.

[IamGEORGIA]

There was a poll about that in CNN - somebody claimed that there was
some 300'000 answers and result was that 92% believe it was Georgia itself.

I tried to check result from CNN but it was not going anymore - so this is only secondhand
information. If anyone knows how to find old poll results from CNN please inform.

The question was:

Do you think Russia`s actions in Georgia are justified?
Yes -- it's peacekeeping
No -- it's an invasion

The result was how you said before, about 90% for answer ( Yes -- it's peacekeeping )

P.S. It`s from my memory, i don`t know how to find it now.

Result was 87% for no, and the rest 13 for yes..
There was another qquestion as well
Should international peacekkepers be sent to Ossetia..?
Result was the same..at about 80 percent voted for yes..

[Andres]

There was a poll about that in CNN - somebody claimed that there was
some 300'000 answers and result was that 92% believe it was Georgia itself.

I tried to check result from CNN but it was not going anymore - so this is only secondhand
information. If anyone knows how to find old poll results from CNN please inform.

The question was:

Do you think Russia`s actions in Georgia are justified?
Yes -- it's peacekeeping
No -- it's an invasion

The result was how you said before, about 90% for answer ( Yes -- it's peacekeeping )

P.S. It`s from my memory, i don`t know how to find it now.

Result was 87% for no, and the rest 13 for yes..
There was another qquestion as well
Should international peacekkepers be sent to Ossetia..?
Result was the same..at about 80 percent voted for yes..

You are mistaken, sure that majority of votes was for YES! Call to CNN and ask, maybe after this you will stop to do like this


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[Lenus]

Main point is why georgians started bombing if they knew what would happen. They had no other choice? Why then Saakashvili was talking about paecefull solution right before lunching military operetion against S Osetia? Changed his mind so quickly? Why FIRST session of UN security councill was assembled by Russia not Georgia?

SiD

Georgia never believed Russia would interfere with blowing it out of proportion.
To be Honest, we thought, Russia would come in to Tskhinvali Region and Restore the Status Quo.
I believe everyone else thought the same.

However, I can ask very interesting paralel question to you:

Why Osetians Started shooting Georgian Villages?
Why they Blasted a Policemna Vehiclea (5 of 6 wounded)
Why was Sanakoev (Pro Georgian OSetian Leader) was attempted to assasinate?

I agree, Russia was faster to call Security Council. However that could also mean they had plans, we - didn't/

I must remind, such hostilities, (pre-shelling level) - were hapening in the region on numerous occasions. I cannot remember every time Russia calling The SC.

[Lenus]

Dear Lenus
Do you really beleive in Europe as a Superpower? It's under US control almost.Sooner or later EU agree with every amercan idea .The same is China. Too dependant from merican market. And only russian nuclear weapon is the main pain in merican back.I don't like alot of things in Russia. But most of all I don't like the situation when the only one BIG boss will decide what is good or bad on this planet.

So, in other words you are choosing the bad over worse. Clear and sound judgement.
However, it all depends on your definitions and evaluations.
You see, for you Russia's causing hostilities are less evil than an Unilateral US Rulling (if it is going to happen, I don't personally believe it is).

The only black spot of US so far is IRAQ. Shall I enlist the RUssia's black spots??

If you put those two on the scale pins, you will see - the Russian threat clearly is a prevalent concern.


Someone mentioned here - MExicans have other view. Meaning, it all depends on your location and involvement, contacts with USA or Russia. I believe, for someone like Rwanda, it may not mean much which option we will take. They would have other priorities. Then again, you ask Chechens, they would rather polish G W Bush's shoes for life than to live under Russian Domination.

[Vittorio1964]

To Lenus

I don't like persons who prefer to polish shoes than to struggle for their independent mind.
Are you sure there is only one black spot of US Iraq is? Try to remember some more...

P.S. I am sure you've mistaken with Chechens. They are warriors and will never agree to polish GWB shoes.never.

[Lenus]

To Lenus

I don't like persons who prefer to polish shoes than to struggle for their independent mind.
Are you sure there is only one black spot of US Iraq is? Try to remember some more...

P.S. I am sure you've mistaken with Chechens. They are warriors and will never agree to polish GWB shoes.never.

"Polishing Shoes", figurateively speaking, means be an ally.
I think Chechens would be GWB Ally rather than be Russian Autonomy, I am sure of this.

every balck sport you bring for US, will be covered by 10 for Russia. Trust me.

[Vittorio1964]

To Lenus

Your expression "a shoe polisher" is excelent to name American ally. Nothing to add. But still I insist that Bad Russia the only real opponent to America. All other "SuperPowers" already polish US shoes. And only US will decide who is good and who is bad. Are you sure they will never make a mistake? And if they do who will say them about it? Shoe polishers? I am not sure