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[SiD]

Remember history of russia and you will decide something about animals.

Just a seconds ago your planes fall bombs over Tbilisi. 500 meters from my home. You are pigs, all russians!!!!

Only one fact from, our history I would like to tell you but, rather to stop talking with you. No sense to speak with animals!!!

well, nothing left to comment actualy. Animals, pigs and so on. And i hawent heard the answer on my question: Did Georgian government knew that killing Russian peacekeepers would draw retaliation?

[Human]

About Chechnya - Chechnya has become a threat after terrorist acts from chechenish bandit leaders. Note that russians HAVEN'T killed civilians in Chechnya. Another note from history: Chechnya has become independant for few years. In those few years Ichkeria (newborn Chechnya) has become a slave-market. Whould you live with slavedrivers at your side?

And how can you speak about provocation from Russia's side? This war is an extremely bad thing for Russia's economics. The main priority of Russia is raising it's own economical power based on inner resources, such as gas and spending money on war is a much bigger expense then many of us think.

And as I said before, for Georgia this war is only for territory, not humans.

[Tim]

I say many times and will continue: russian so called "peacekeepers" are really not a peacekeepers. They are here to support separatists and provoke georgian side.

We required to change them many times, but it is hard to do. This is not in an interests of russia.

Current agression and intervention is clear proof that russians so called "peacekeepers" are real ocupants.

When yesterday I have spoken about genocide of georgian civilians, I meant SOKHUMI, ABKHAZIA. We have hundreds of volumes claiming this. This was done by russian citizens and abkhaz criminals.

It is cinic lie that russians did not kill civilians in Chechnia, there where thousands killed. And russians justify this, saying all the chechens whether a child or a woman, are terrorists.

But now there is no sense to speak about past. There are too many criminal actions from russia happenning at present and we should speak about it.

[Tim]

well, nothing left to comment actualy. Animals, pigs and so on. And i hawent heard the answer on my question: Did Georgian government knew that killing Russian peacekeepers would draw retaliation?

This is you or your colleague (comrade) started speaking about animals. And this is russian manner - they will provoke you and then if you will answer, they will say you started first and now we should bomb you.

By the way, russian planes bomb georgian territory and civilians during last several years. But you ignore it. You ignore everything which you do not like.

It should be cleared if your so called "peacekeepers" really have been killed, who killed them and why they opened fire against georgian troops. Our authorities informed them that they started military action to clean south ossetia from Kokoev bandits and criminals and they should keep aside. This was so simple to decide that any harm made to this soldiers will used by russians against us. And our troops tried to avoid any conflict with them, but russian "peacekeepers" are here for provokation means.

There may not be any justification of military intervention in an independent country. STOP RUSSIA!!! Take all your troops back to your country and leave us alive.

[Tim]

About Chechnya - Chechnya has become a threat after terrorist acts from chechenish bandit leaders. Note that russians HAVEN'T killed civilians in Chechnya. Another note from history: Chechnya has become independant for few years. In those few years Ichkeria (newborn Chechnya) has become a slave-market. Whould you live with slavedrivers at your side?

And how can you speak about provocation from Russia's side? This war is an extremely bad thing for Russia's economics. The main priority of Russia is raising it's own economical power based on inner resources, such as gas and spending money on war is a much bigger expense then many of us think.

And as I said before, for Georgia this war is only for territory, not humans.

Yes, this war, war between Russia and Georgia, 2nd Russian-Georgian war which will be written in history forever, is for territory. Russians are trying to gain as more land as they can, inspite of humans living there. If there are other than russian citizens, they should be killed or pushed out from there.

1st Russian-Georgian war has began in 1921. And Georgia lost again some territories, first of all SOCHI and TUAPSE. Georgia has been occupide by Soviet troops. By the way, well-known Khruschov were an ordinry soldier in this army. And what was the official reason for intervention? Again the same. Russians provoked some people for armed conflict (apparently they were communists) and declared they should defend them. Look at history.

Do you want truth about Kokoev and south ossetia? Read this:

South Ossetia Crisis Could Be Russia's Chance To Defeat Siloviki

By Yulia Latynina

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has handed his Russian counterpart, Dmitry Medvedev, a victory over the "siloviki" in Russia. And if Medvedev is able to take advantage of the fruits of this victory, the consequences will be significant not so much for Tbilisi as for Moscow.

So, why is this a victory over the siloviki -- those in the Russian ruling elite with close ties to the state security organs? Because there is no way the regime in South Ossetia can be in any sense called "separatist." Who there is a separatist? The head of the local KGB, Anatoly Baranov, used to head the Federal Security Service (FSB) in the Russian Republic of Mordovia. The head of the South Ossetian Interior Ministry, Mikhail Mindzayev, served in the Interior Ministry of Russia's North Ossetia. The South Ossetian "defense minister," Vasily Lunev, used to be military commissar in Perm Oblast, and the secretary of South Ossetia's Security Council, Anatoly Barankevich, is a former deputy military commissar of Stavropol Krai (all named locations are Russian regions, Tim). So who exactly is a separatist in this government? South Ossetian "prime minister" Yury Morozov?

However, alas, I also cannot say this regime is "pro-Russian." On the contrary, all the recent actions of Eduard Kokoity, the leader of the breakaway South Ossetian government, have run counter to the interests of Russia in the Caucasus -- beginning with his embarrassing Russia in the eyes of the international community and ending with his ratcheting up the tensions in the very region where Russia might begin to come undone. South Ossetia is not a territory, not a country, not a regime. It is a joint venture of siloviki generals and Ossetian bandits for making money in a conflict with Georgia. For me, the most surprising thing in this entire story is the complete lack of any strategic goals on the part of the South Ossetians.

As soon as Russia tamped down the war in Abkhazia, tensions in South Ossetia started rising. South Ossetian forces start shelling Georgian villages, and as soon as Georgia returns fire, the airwaves are filled with accusations of "Georgian aggression." No one pays attention to the fact that when this happens, Kokoity is not on the front lines or visiting the injured in a hospital -- he's 1,000 kilometers away in Abkhazia, apparently offering the Russian siloviki his people as hostages, as another card to be played to inflame the situation and make a few more dollars.

Again -- nothing that is going on in South Ossetia makes any sense from the point of view of strategy. It only makes sense as a means of making money. And we aren't talking about small sums. Running a gas pipeline through the mountains from Russia -- a precaution in case Georgia decides to cut off the 70,000 residents -- cost $570 million. And then there is the secret budget Russia has allotted for the struggle -- estimated at somewhere around $800 million. And don't forget the pensions and wages for state-sector workers, who officially number some 80,000 but whose actual numbers are not more than 30,000.

'Terrorist State'

Whenever someone starts telling us about shelling in Tskhinvali, it is important to keep in mind exactly what Tskhinvali is. It is not a city somewhere in the middle of a republic that is being fired upon by saboteurs. On three sides, Tskhinvali is surrounded by Georgian villages. The edge of Tskhinvali is a military outpost. South Ossetian forces fire from there into the Georgian villages, and the Georgians respond with fire of their own. To help keep Georgian fire from hitting civilians in the city, all the South Ossetians would have to do is move their military base forward a couple hundred meters.

But, of course, it is a fundamental principle of terrorists the world over -- set up firing points in civilian areas and then when your enemy fires on you, you gleefully parade the bodies of your own children in front of the television cameras. Kokoity's terrorists are following this same principle. If South Ossetia can in any way be considered a state, it must be considered a terrorist state.

When we are told about "peaceful civilians" in South Ossetia, we must keep in mind that the situation there is similar to that in Palestinian refugee camps. South Ossetia, like the Palestinian Liberation Organization before it, is not a state or an ethos or a territory. It is a peculiar form of mutated government in which residents have been turned into militarized refugees. It is a quasi-armed force that is not allowed by the authorities to occupy itself with anything other than war -- a situation that gives the authorities absolute power and absolute control over the money at its disposal. It is a place where the hysteria of this disfigured population is the primary means of filling the authorities' personal coffers.

Even more surprising is the fact that the leaders of this region -- despite all their talk -- apparently have done very little to prepare for war and have turned out to be absolutely helpless. At the first sign of trouble, the general director of this joint venture hightailed it out of Tskhinvali. I was amazed to get news overnight that Russian journalists were hunkered down in the main government building and there wasn't even a bomb shelter there. What does that mean? That all the money Moscow allocated for our joint venture never made it outside the Moscow ring road? They were all shouting "Wolf, wolf!" but they didn't even manage to build a barn for the sheep?

Georgia, I think, will win in this conflict for the simple reason that it has a clear strategic goal. The Russian siloviki do not. Moreover, it turns out that these people -- who are pretty good at bankrupting factories and terrorizing companies -- ran without looking back when faced with a real army and all they are capable of doing is complaining to the United Nations.

War Of Lies

It would seem that the siloviki really thought that there is nothing more to war than lying. Lying about "unprovoked shelling" and about wounded "civilians" who are shown on television wearing camouflage. They are still using this tactic: What are we to make of their claims during the night that Georgian airplanes had bombed a column of humanitarian aid coming out of the Roki Tunnel between North and South Ossetia? I'd like to know who was the Russian general who -- on the very night when Saakashvili had been issued a moratorium and tanks and heavy equipment were moving from Russia to Tskhinvali -- decided to clog up the only road with a humanitarian convoy. If there is such an idiot, he should, at the least, be demoted to the ranks. The siloviki supposed that the war would be won by the side that lied the most. Saakashvili knew that the war would be won by the one who won the war.

The latest events prove that Russia does not control what Kokoity does. Temur Iakobashvili, the Georgian minister for reintegration, arrived recently in Tskhinvali for talks and the Russian Foreign Ministry did everything it could to facilitate them. But Kokoity simply left the city. Saakashvili announced a unilateral cease-fire and in response, to show that the joint venture needs more money, South Ossetians opened fire on the villages of Tamarasheni and Prisi. We can only hope that Georgia sees that at least some in the Kremlin do not intend to support Kokoity. You can support an ally. You can prop up a puppet. But you cannot support a joint venture that is just pumping money out of the Russian budget by means of inflaming the Caucasus.

So, I repeat -- Saakashvili has bankrupted the joint venture of the Lubyanka chekisty and the Ossetian bandits. Russia, as a country, has no interest in this enterprise. And the joint venture only had one interest in Russia -- the same interest that a cancerous tumor has on its host body. We can only thank Saakashvili for the chemotherapy.

The main question in the current situation is what will Russia do now. There are two choices. One would be to get entangled in a full-scale war, which is what the siloviki have been trying to force Moscow to do for the last few months. It doesn't matter to them who wins that war or how many victims there are. The mere fact of a war will mean that the siloviki will maintain their control over Russia. In fact, a defeat for Russia would be even better for the siloviki than a victory; there would be shouts, recriminations, hysterics, and -- in the end -- more money.

The second scenario is that this is a chance for Medvedev and for Russia. If Russia stays out of the fighting, that would be a defeat for the siloviki. And, maybe, the complete bankruptcy not just of their branch office in South Ossetia, but of the home office on Lubyanka as well.

[Tim]

Full bosh and lies.... You try to blacken Russia, sometime the truth will triumph. Your mass media speak not the truth, your authority is military criminals which have made massacre of people in South Ossetia who in it does not trust come here and esteem http: // cominf.org/ it is a site of South Ossetia... Think, what for to peace people to say lies.
Words of mister Tim do not coincide with the validity if as he said Russia has attacked South Ossetia... That as South Ossetia could open fire in general on territories of Georgia, in fact you simply impudently say lies.
Then South Ossetia would be protected from Russia, and shot across Georgia but for such small republic it is not real.

Russia is black, you are blackening yourself...

If you think that I say lie, come to Georgia and we will show you the truth. But I know that you will not do it. Many times our government invited few dozens of russian journalists to show truth on site, they came, saw everything, ate, drunk, but when they get back, things went in the same way. This is not very surprising. We know that mass-media in Russia is not free and is controled by their government.

About Kokoev and his military forces. Even russian TVs were showing their arm race supported by Russia. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAY? RUSSIA SUPPORTED SEPARATISTS WITH WEAPONS, MILITARY INSTRUCTORS AND MONEY. THIS IS CRIMINAL AGAINST HUMAN CIVILIZATION. PUTIN IS CRIMINAL.

[DOLCEOKSANA]

THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS !!! HOW THE INFORMATION IN WESTERN MEDIA IS 100 PERCENT TRANSFORMED THE OTHER WAY WITH THE HELP OF SUBSTITUTION OF WORDS TECHNOLOGY. THE INFORMATION IS DRAMATICALLY BIASED UNDER THE PRESSURE OF US CENSORS. AS A RESULT OF THEIR "LIES" IN COVERAGE RUSSIA HAS AN OBVIOUS IMAGE OF AGRESSOR.

IT'S DOCUMENTARY STATED GEORGIA STARTING MILITARY ACTIONS, ALL THE VIDEO SHOWING IT. ALTHOUGH WESTERN JOURNALISTS' REPORTS DO NOT EVEN CORRESPOND TO THE PICTURE.

THIS IS AGAIN A QUESTION OF DOUBLE STANDARDS. WHILE KOSOVO GAINED ITS SUPPORT FROM THE U.S. NOW THIS COUNTRY SUPPORTS THE AGRESSORS-GEORGIA WHO KILLED MORE THAN 2000 (ALOT MORE) INNOCENT PEOPLE - WOMEN CHILDREN SHOOTING DIRECTLY- OF THEIR COUNTRY.

U.S. ANNOUNCING ITSELF A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY WITH THE HELP OF ITS MEDIA IS SUPPORTING GENOCIDE IN GEORGIA'S FACE IN ORDER TO SET A QUARREL BETWEEN ORTHODOX HISTORICALLY BROTHERLY PEOPLES, TO GAIN CONTROL OVER THE CAUCAUSES = WHICH IS TO GAIN CONTROL OVER NATURAL RESOURCES- OIL AND GAS.

[wolfsonian]

Tim,
Your anti-Russian position is more than understandable. Yet, I suggest that you read UK newspapers as well. You can hardly accuse “the Guardian” or “Times” of pro-russian bias. However, they are more or less reasonable in portraying the news from the conflict zone.

Secondly, if Russian SMI lies, than your sources of information are tinted also. If Russia clearly has its own interests in the region and history and geographic proximity explain this MUTUAL interest for close cooperation, than the US interest in your country far less justifiable. Or maybe you will deny any foreign interference and funding in Georgia?

Another thing, why don’t you read “The Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein, she explains, and backs up her explanation with facts, why certain rich Western forces like to ignite nationalist’s moods. It is useful to THEIR economy, not your economy or Russia’s economy. Please, take a look at the view on scenarios in Argentina, Columbia, Philippines, etc. you might find similarity between what happens to your country and what happened there.

Finally, you say there is no freedom of speech in Russia as it was not in the Soviet Union. Ten years ago, before I went to get my American and English higher education, I would have agreed with you. Yet now I know for sure that the freedom of speech looses its sense if there is no freedom of thought. It happened in the States with exception of a few very intelligent historians. (check out Michigan University history group, explaining the international policy of the US in a different light). This might happen to you as well (the loss of the freedom to think for yourself), in exchange for a hamburger and COLA. What would your grandparents say to that?

[alex]

Saakashvili forces attacked sleeping Tskinvali and killed 2000 peaceful citizens in the night with heavy launchers.
International news sites (BBC, YouTube and other) delete messages from Russians. Only Georgian point of view exists.
Do you know your mass-media publishes photo made with Photoshop?

Trouble with Europe is: you don't know how can Saaksavili lie. But we feel it many years.

I thnk in a few days war will end.
Russian forces will stop on the South Osetia - Georgia borders.
On the finish of war we will see many georgian military bases destroyed. It is will help to push fears of next war to from 10 to 15 years.
Abhasia, probably, will finish it's operation against nearby Georgian forces.

Europe will know russian point of view at all.
Russia will know european point of view at all.

Makkein will be president of USA using anti-Russia ritorics. This war will help him to to take 5 percents over Barak Obama. But he will not help USA economics anyway because it can't save economics with only anti-russian ritorics.
Saakashvili will be killed by it's USA friends. Because he know too much.

Best regards,
Alex.

[DOLCEOKSANA]

ALL THIS US-NATO SUPPORTED WAR IS ABOUT OIL AND GAS. HOW DOESNT GEORGIA REALISE THIS?
ALL THE INFORMATION WAR IS ABOUT BLACKENING RUSSIA.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT - WAR IS NOT THE WAY TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR BROTHERLY NEIGHBOURS- OSSETIANS.

[ogonek]

Информация такова! Вечером 07.08.08 Грузия начала полномасштабное наступление на Юж.Осетию, было убито огромное количество мирных жителей, г.Цхинвали был почти во власти грузинских вооруженных сил. Народ Юж.Осетии просто убивали, выглядит это как этническая чистка. Днем 08.08.08 ситуация изменилась, Россия встала на защиту собственных граждан и должна наказать тех кто повинен в их смерти!
Атака Гризии была спланирована США, для ослабления влияния РФ в регионе!
Еще до 1992г. Народы России и Гризии являлись друзьями, к сожалению даже среди гордых грузин попадаются люди которые любят деньги больше чем родину, я говорю о Саакашвили! Тоже происходит с Украиной, Монголией, Азербайджаном и еще не которыми странами.США создают коридор нестабильности во-круг России!
А Вы уважаемые европейцы боитесь открыть рты! Знайте Россия не такова как Вам её преподносят средства массовой информации.
Мы за мир, но только за честный мир, с уважением позиций аппонента!И не надо нам навязывать свое мнение, мы же Вам ненавязываем!
Вот собственно и всё.....

[Tim]

Ask yourself what Georgian troops do in the civilian city Tshinvali?
Ask yourself then M.Saakashvili said the truth during last 2 years? All his politics is pure lie.
Ask yourself why he didn’t want to sign any legal peace convention with South Ossetia?
Ask yourself why all this facts were shown inverse for you?
Ask yourself why Europian and American mass media didn’t show you the real begin of this genocide?
Ask yourself Why Europian flag is behind M.Saakashvili?
Ask yourself Why he interrupted broadcast of Russian channels in his republic, is this Democracy?
Ask yourself Why Georgian television shows South Ossetian civilians killed by his troops and say that it is killed Georgian civilians?

Your posting is full of lie and demagogia. Clear Russian manner!
I will briefly answer your questins. If you would like to find more details, see my recent postings. If it is not enough, come to georgia these or next days and I will show you the truth.

1. Ask yourself what Georgian troops do in the civilian city Tskhinvali?
Georgian troops were cleaning this territory from separatist bandits and terrorists which felt comfortable in civilian city Tskhinvali with support of russian so called "peacekeepers" and atakcing nearby georgian villages trying to change demographic balance during last 15 years. ASK YOURSELF, HOW LONG IT COULD LAST?

2. Ask yourself then M.Saakashvili said the truth during last 2 years? All his politics is pure lie.
Georgian side elaborate quite many times peacefull solution for the conflict, but everything was rejected. Answer was, we are independent and are not interesting in other peacefull solutions. ASK YOURSELF, IS NOT A SEPARATISM A CRIME?

3. Ask yourself why he didn’t want to sign any legal peace convention with South Ossetia?
South Ossetia is a part of Georgia, so we can not sign such kind of convention. Fore more details see point 2 and all the recent Georgian peace initiatives. ASK YOURSELF, WHY SHOULD WE FIGHT AGAINST 30,000 OSSETIANS IN TSKHINVALI AND LIVE IN PEACE WITH 50,000 OF THEM LIVING IN OTHER PARTS OF GEORGIA?

4. Ask yourself why all this facts were shown inverse for you?
I am Georgian and know real truth. ASK YOURSELF, WHY THERE IS SO MUCH LIE AND DESINFORMATION IN RUSSIAN MASS-MEDIA AND WHAT IS THE FINAL GOAL OF RUSSIA? SIMPLE, OCCUPATION OF GEORGIA AND CHANGE OF ITS INDEPENDENT DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT. BE AWARE, THIS IS BEGINNING OF SOVIET UNION RECONSTRUCTION.

5. Ask yourself why Europian and American mass media didn’t show you the real begin of this genocide?
See point 4.

6. Ask yourself Why Europian flag is behind M.Saakashvili?
European flags in Georgia means that Georgia is a member of European Council. And we are trying to escape from antidemocratic and totalitar Russia and find shelter under the Europe. ASK YOURSELF, WHY DO YOU SYSTEMATICALLY FORGET YOUR HISTORY?

7. Ask yourself Why he interrupted broadcast of Russian channels in his republic, is this Democracy?
see point 4.

8. Ask yourself Why Georgian television shows South Ossetian civilians killed by his troops and say that it is killed Georgian civilians?
See point 4. AND ASK YOURSELF, WHAT IS THE AIM OF SO MUCH LIE AND DESINFORMATION IN RUSSIAN MASS-MEDIA? SIMPLY, TO CLEAR MINDS OF THEIR CITIZENS AND JUSTIFY CURRENT BARBAROS AGRESSION AND FURTHER OCCUPATION OF GEORGIA. FORGET THIS.

STOP!!! YOU WILL NEVER DEFIT US!!! WE HAVE FORTITUDED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INVADORS OF GEORGIA DURING OUR 3,000 YEARS HISTORY!!! THEY DISAPPEARED FROM OUR LAND!!! YOU WILL BE THE NEXT!!! WE ARE STILL ALIVE!!!

[DOLCEOKSANA]

Информация такова! Вечером 07.08.08 Грузия начала полномасштабное наступление на Юж.Осетию, было убито огромное количество мирных жителей, г.Цхинвали был почти во власти грузинских вооруженных сил. Народ Юж.Осетии просто убивали, выглядит это как этническая чистка. Днем 08.08.08 ситуация изменилась, Россия встала на защиту собственных граждан и должна наказать тех кто повинен в их смерти!
Атака Гризии была спланирована США, для ослабления влияния РФ в регионе!
Еще до 1992г. Народы России и Гризии являлись друзьями, к сожалению даже среди гордых грузин попадаются люди которые любят деньги больше чем родину, я говорю о Саакашвили! Тоже происходит с Украиной, Монголией, Азербайджаном и еще не которыми странами.США создают коридор нестабильности во-круг России!
А Вы уважаемые европейцы боитесь открыть рты! Знайте Россия не такова как Вам её преподносят средства массовой информации.
Мы за мир, но только за честный мир, с уважением позиций аппонента!И не надо нам навязывать свое мнение, мы же Вам ненавязываем!
Вот собственно и всё.....

All of the above is true. But will anyone understand this in russian-cyrillic here?
Ogonek was telling that late at night on August the 7th, on the eve of the Olympic Games in Beijing, Georgian troops (consisting of US as well as ukranian, estonian mercenaries - the countries bordering Russia strongly influenced by the U.S.) started an intensive air attack on Tskhinvali for destruction. More than 2000 civilians, children, women, old people were killed, many of them russian and georgian by nationality.
Those who were not murdered by the attacks were shoot directly by georgian troops (coached in advance by NATO military instructors). More than 15 russian peacemakers were killed by directly targeted bombings - although illegal under agreement.
As the lives of russian civilians and peacemakers were in danger Russian troops were sent to Tskhnivali to protect peaceful civilians and russians living in Ossetia from elimination strictly under the agreement allowing RF peacemaking activities in the region.
The information coming from S. Ossetia to EU and US is highly distorted in order to blacken Russia and to create an image of it as an agressor which is very advantegeous for the West. With all russian channels and internet sites blocked in Georgia.
The worst here is that for the desire of U.S. to make a ring around Russia to control oil and gas thousands of innocents are being killed, small peoples are suffering, orthodox peoples of Russia and Georgia are forced to be enemies. We will not. Despite the huge western propaganda machine.
We don't need this war. And be damned those who use it for their selfish griping purposes.
God help Russia and Georgia.

[Tim]

I am glad to see some light in this horrible darkness of hatred...

Our churches pray everyday to save our country and to open mind of orthodox Russia, finally became our enemy, to stop this nightmare and leave georgians, ossetians and abkhazs to agree themselves and continue living in one country in peace as they do for many centuries.

It is russia which is destabilising the situation in Caucasus to intervent than as a peacekeeper, retaining influence over there.

What a cinic theatre of absurd you are painting? That's russian propaganda.

[Askyourself]

Ask yourself first Georgia has a population 4,6 million peole. Nearly a half of them are living in the different cities of Russian Federation and some in Europe. Why they do not want to live in the very nice climate conditions with Saakashvilli democracy?
Ask yourself second You come back home after work to watch Olimpic Games and see - your peaceful house ia destroyed, your neighbours- old man and old woman are killed, your wife is raped and killed, and all your small kids ARE KILLED !!! And killers are still at your home and say you: "Lets now make a peace!!!"...And what you will do?
Ask yourself third Why newspapers and TV programmes with CNN as a leader didn't say you that during the first hours as Georgian troops have intruded the South Ossetinian land nearly 2000 (TWO THOUSANDS!! citizens were killed ! and the beuitiful city Tshinvalli (100000 people) was bombed and absolutly destroyed?
Ask yourself fourth Why governments do not say YOU that the FIRST TARGET for Georgian troops were not 12 russian peacemakers but it was Maternity hospital and how many kids were killed there we will know as soon as georgian troops will stop their continuing bombing of Ossetia?
ASK YOURSELF!!! .....TRUST YOURSELF!!!!

[tushimeomari]

ASKYOURSELF do you have any proof of what you are posting?

askyourself can you tell me why russia bombed senaki or dedoplistskaro? or the radars of international airport of georgia?

Oh and dont u think that the people who riddled 2 journalist of ALANIA just because thay had another oppinion about what is happening in gergia are'nt criminals?

[tushimeomari]

OH almost forgot...dont you think that bombing a buildings in gori,where children and weman lived doesnt have anything common with osetia?

[Tim]

So you think that killing people is a crime only during Olympic Games? Where you were during this years, when ethnic cleaning was done in Abkhazia and Tskhinvali region? Or you think that Georgian are not humans.

This is terrible thing when civilians die. And that was the reason we always asked to change russian troops in peacekeeping mission as they do not protect georgian civilians. How many times your so called "peacekeepers" made drunk, drive illegally through the conflict area and hurt civilians? Or this civilians are not a humans and they have no children or wives?

This is very small forum to show you what real genocide is on the sample of Abkhazia. Come to Georgia, we will show if you are interested.

But you will never do it! As you have quite clear aim - clean territories from georgians and invade them!!! More than 15 years you are doing it!!! IT'S ENOUGH!!! WE ARE FULL OF THIS SHIT!!! WE WILL NEVER RETURN TO YOUR DERZHAVA, I.E. EMPIRE, YOU JUST STARTED RECONSTRUCTING!!! RUSSIAN AGRESSORS, GET AWAY OF GEORGIA!!!

[Tim]

Midi bichebo davcxot am nadziralebs sadac movixeltebt!!!

[tushimeomari]

AND AT LAST STOP FIGHTING WITH US IT WILL BREING A GRATE MISFORTUNE FOR YOU WE HADE BEEN FIGHTING WITH "PERSIA" "MONGOLIA" "ROMAN EMPIRE" AND MORE AND MORE BUT WE STILL CONTINUE LIVING ON THIS YEARTH AND WE ARE"NT AFRAID TO LOOK BACK>>>NOW RUSSIA IS HAVING TROUBLE WITH US SO GUESS YOUR FUTURE FOR YOURSELF

[tushimeomari]

TIM GENACVALE MAGARI KACI XAR DZAAAAN VANAXOT CHVENI DZALA AM IJUSHOEBS

[alex]

Radars of your airport are sending information to your military forces.
I don't know what happeninig in other places you talk about.
But I can suppose you don't know about existent militray bases in these locations.

No one does bombardments on your peaceful citizens.If russian will want to destroy peaceful citizens they will not drop bombs on military bases instead they will do what you do: to drop bombs on the center of Tbilisi. But they do not.

I know one georgian personally.
He says me there no conflict with georgians and osetians. They live together many years.

Why Saakashvili attacks them? Why he uses mercenaries to make it's dirty work?
Because it must close borders of Georgia to enter into the NATO. People live in the borders don't needed to him.

[tushimeomari]

LISTEN ALEX georgians and osetians are one nations we love eachother exept that bandits which drilled our citizens living near the border and it's fact that russian "PEACEMAKERS" helped them, every times when thet crazy dumbs were drunk they started driving crazy in our cities and injureing our citizens, everything has it's and!!! WE WERE SUFFERING VERY LONG already,Do you know that every day citizens living near south osetia send messages to saakishvili to help defending their children so what did our police troops was unavoidable

[tushimeomari]

sorry for my bad english, if u couldnt understand anything ask one more time

[tushimeomari]

ooh and about the radars they were radars of our airport and even if they were doing what u say its under low to do that it's our rights to know everything whats happening in our country SO RUSSIANS HAVE NO RIGHTS TO FLY IN OUR ZONE AND BOMB OUR CITIZE$NS HOUSES

Dont Be So Irresponsible And Dont Say That Every Country Which Criticismed Russia is Liar And Russia Is Right In Everything Nobody loves Russia Just Many Countrys Are Afraid Of Them,But Now Even For Them RUSSIA is a Subject Of criticism.