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[GAMS]

Nikaraguya acknowledges Abhazia and Sonth Ossetia
http://www.utro.ru/news/2008/09/03/764658.shtml

GAMS, are you happy that Nikaragua recogmized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia? What about the whole democratic world which has not recognized it? Or you do not care about democratic world?

Я промалчу о демократии в Грузии,где на своем народе испытывают новое оружие,при разгоне митинга опозиции.

[lashachochua]

Nikaraguya acknowledges Abhazia and Sonth Ossetia
http://www.utro.ru/news/2008/09/03/764658.shtml

GAMS, are you happy that Nikaragua recogmized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia? What about the whole democratic world which has not recognized it? Or you do not care about democratic world?

Ну я промалчу о демократии в Грузии.

Did I mention about the democracy in Georgia?...But I do not think that the level of democracy in Georgia deserves your laughing...GAMS, you can write in russian I understand it. But please be polite, I do not want to loose the first abkhazian in one day.

[GAMS]

Democracy in Georgia is not present!
Only dictator of Saakashvili

[GAMS]

2000000 Georgian live in Russia.They betrayers?

[lashachochua]

2000000 Georgian live in Russia.They betrayers?

First, 2 000 000 too many man, in good time the max was 1 000 000, many of them left Russia lately, so we can think that some 600 000 - 700 000 Georgians are there now... Betrayers??? I do not understand...It was their choice to go there, many of them went there for working, why are they betrayers? I do not understand the ide of question

[lashachochua]

Nikaraguya acknowledges Abhazia and Sonth Ossetia
http://www.utro.ru/news/2008/09/03/764658.shtml

GAMS, are you happy that Nikaragua recogmized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia? What about the whole democratic world which has not recognized it? Or you do not care about democratic world?

Я промалчу о демократии в Грузии,где на своем народе испытывают новое оружие,при разгоне митинга опозиции.

even after editing you comment, I do not think you have to lough...I was in this meeting against saakashvili, and what has happened than was really shamefull.....But we forced the president to change its policy oncerning many issues, this is democracy.......

[GAMS]

2000000 Georgian live in Russia.They betrayers?

First, 2 000 000 too many man, in good time the max was 1 000 000, many of them left Russia lately, so we can think that some 600 000 - 700 000 Georgians are there now... Betrayers??? I do not understand...It was their choice to go there, many of them went there for working, why are they betrayers? I do not understand the ide of question

You talk:"In Russia badly.There is not democracy.There dictate of Putin".Why there does ride much Georgian?

[lashachochua]

2000000 Georgian live in Russia.They betrayers?

First, 2 000 000 too many man, in good time the max was 1 000 000, many of them left Russia lately, so we can think that some 600 000 - 700 000 Georgians are there now... Betrayers??? I do not understand...It was their choice to go there, many of them went there for working, why are they betrayers? I do not understand the ide of question

You talk:"In Russia badly.There is not democracy.There dictate of Putin".Why there does ride much Georgian?

I do not understand your English, sorry. You may write in Russian, feel free

[lashachochua]

We want to be free without Georgia!!!!

"Freedom is not merely the opportunity to do as one pleases; neither is it merely the opportunity to choose between set alternatives. Freedom is, first of all, the chance to formulate the available choices, to argue over them — and then, the opportunity to choose". . Wright Mills

So my friend, GAMS, lets have chance to formulate the available choices, lets discuss...

[EU1]

You talk:"In Russia badly.There is not democracy.There dictate of Putin".Why there does ride much Georgian?

I do not understand your English, sorry. You may write in Russian, feel free

I understand his English very well. He means If Russia is so bad country where there is Putin's diktat and no democracy why so many georgians have settled there?

[EU1]

Nikaraguya acknowledges Abhazia and Sonth Ossetia
http://www.utro.ru/news/2008/09/03/764658.shtml

GAMS, are you happy that Nikaragua recogmized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia? What about the whole democratic world which has not recognized it? Or you do not care about democratic world?

Я промалчу о демократии в Грузии,где на своем народе испытывают новое оружие,при разгоне митинга опозиции.

Interesting facts, I did not know. It proves my words that i posted before. Saakashvili is chosen by the USA and he is guided from White House. If he is supported by that state georgian people will do nothing with that. So since georgian people cannot control his government even if they want to live in peace with his neighbors it does not depend on them and therefore Ossetians and Abkhazs cannot feel themselves in safe in one state with Georgia.

[Eka]

EU1
Typical situation: Russians try to “guard”- Abzxazians as they suppose that they cannot give correct answer to”Geogians”. (From childhood I have filling that Russians suppose that they are cleverer than Abxazs. I have this filling from my summer vacations there) It was typically what was happening there during post-Bolshevik times. And now I am finally sure that Russian governments politic created this “conflict” Why? It can be discussed in very interesting topic about Russians geopolitical interests. I think that our European forum members must fully understand what Bolshevik Russia is. I have filling that some of Europeans those whose political preferences are more “left “can not fully and deeply understand, that Russia is not “communist or socialist “ now it’s wild “capitalistic country without any rules and ideas. Country liders are declaring democracy and meanwhile are trying to get rid of opponents by assassinations and putting to jails. They like to live very luxury way of living, while whole country is deeply in powerty, and propaganda of “powerful Russia” is helping to have those poorest people I darkness. One of Russians here was discussing about freedom of expression here. She/he stated that they have freemadia and example was internet media. When I asked about coverage he told that those figures are quite big. Yes they are impressive but because of Moscow, SpB and some huge cities. And what about you’re Imperia out said these cities. They are without any reliable information in information darkness and under your heave propaganda from governmental TVs.

Now about Georgians outside Georgia. They are there not because they like your “democracy” but because economical reasons. Unfortunately your” market” of labor is bigger than ours (for a while-soon situation will change, its already changing) And what about Chinese in your country?Chinies economy is one of best ( without democracy) but Chinese in your country will soon turn to problem to your government.( It’s from Russian point of view) So Georgians in Russia are not because you are more democratic but because they have opportunities to work there. Many of them return to Georgia after you were putting them to jails and deporting them year ago. So don’t worry we will survive and of course with AbxazeTi and Sida kartli ! They will soon understand your intensions there .When you will destroy their ecology with cement factories. They dream to return resorts not to destroy coastline for your Olympic games. And those Olympic is under big question, because no one wants to attend Olympic Games in unstable situation.
About map which GAMS represent here. I don’t want to comment this, but if somebody remembers I mentioned here that Jirinovski is “face of Russian" some of you argues with me, so this map is Jirinovskis map. He have this map in his office (was never there but he represents this map on TV some month ago and states that it was his dream how he sees Georgia in future). So Russian government are trying to act according this map. Russians are not telling loudly about their plans toward Georgia, but GAMS in very naive way opened this plans to everybody.
Why I am sometimes here is not to explain to Russian propaganda-blind forum members that they are wrong, but to represent our-Georgian citizen’s position on the issues of Russian occupation to European members.

And I have not received answer on my question toward Russians and GAMS. I will repeate it once more.

I am not against idependance of authonomies , BUT AFTER REFERNDUM WITH ALL PEOPLE FROM THERE ESPECIALLY IDPS.Is my position clear or no? If somebody is against this expalin way and please give reasons of it.

[Eka]

And my congratulations with Nicaragua recognition. I even can not imagine that Ortega was alive to this time.

[EU1]

I understand Abkhazs who don't wish to be in one state with Georgia after watching this movies
http://mreporter.ru/ReporterMessages!vi ... rtid=13862


How will you comment them? Shooting civilians and destroying building where can be people, what is it? There are no Russians there, only your army. THIS IS GENOCIDE

[Simon A]

Opinion of the ossetic party: http://osinform.ru/index.php?action_ski ... me=full_en
Genocide in ossetia: http://64.233.179.104/translate?u=http% ... uage_tools
Paul Craig Roberts: BUSH PUSHING WORLD TOWARD ARMAGEDDON http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/b ... n_148.html

[Eka]

EU1 There was no genocide and it it is proofed not by your corupten prosecutores, but by respected international organizations. AS HRW.http://grani-tv.ru/entries/449/
So you are repaeting the same without any facts. Those videos are not facts. It can ge Georgiana there. So WHOLE WORLD BELIVES TO RESPECTED ORGANIZATIONS< NOT YOUR CORUPTED GOVERMANT AND PROSECUTORES. Numbers of refugies from Shida Kartli are telling that it was Goergian genocide . ALL OSSETIANS ARE BACK TO THERE VILLAGES. RUSSIAN ARMY DOES NOT ALLOW GOERGIANS TO GO BACk TO THERE VILAGES> SO WERE IS ETHNOCLINSING HERE FROM GEORGIAN SIDE?

Your goermant is layng And whole world knows it. That way they undestand that you can do everything you want with everyone, so they are very carefull as with psichically ill agressiv person. You must behave with such person carefuly not to make him agressiv, because they usualy are phisically strong, but because they are psichically insane doctors must be careful. Same with your govermant. " If they are afraid it means we exist"Its your govermants slogan.So world doesnot loves Russia - they are afraid. But I suppose you govermant is glad about this . They behave like huligans in world politics.

[EU1]

Here is a good example of georgian propaganda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSyq2mvt ... re=related, Mixture of how georgian soldiers shot civilians, their aviation bombed ossetians towns with video of entering russian army and pictures of Putin and Medvedev. Good methods

[Eka]

Here is a good example of georgian propaganda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSyq2mvt ... re=related, Mixture of how georgian soldiers shot civilians, their aviation bombed ossetians towns with video of entering russian army and pictures of Putin and Medvedev. Good methods

Here is a good example of Russian genocide of Georgians Mixture of how Russian soldiers shot civilians, their aviation bombed Georgian towns with video of entering russian army and pictures killed and wounded Georgains on THERE OWN LAND Good methods. Congratulations - Xelbolla, XAmas and Nikaragua with Daniel Ortega are with you.

[EU1]

Really it is another good provocation. To bomb and to kill own citizens and then saying that another side did it. Congratulations, You are better than Gebels

[Giovane]

'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YlQPHyRT4U'

So, thnx Eka that you give us a video with georgian murders...
Look:
1)50 sec - georgian soldier killed osetian man
2)1.06-1.28 - georgians armoured vehicle helped their soldier to kill osetian man
3)1.48 - georgian rockets (mb it's "Grad'??)
4)1.58-2.01 - georgian rockets (mb it's "Grad'??)
5)2.44-2.49 - osetian people hiden in bomb shelter
6)2.56-tii the end - georgian troops began their operaiton

[EU1]

Georgia should have negotiated with its neighbors and not to begin the war. They came with arms in Ossetia and this is the result http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PvGRLn ... re=related

[Eka]

Really it is another good provocation. To bomb and to kill own citizens and then saying that another side did it. Congratulations, You are better than Gebels

GEBELS? its Mr. Putins teachers mr. Hitlers collegue yes?

[Eka]

'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YlQPHyRT4U'

So, thnx Eka that you give us a video with georgian murders...
Look:
1)50 sec - georgian soldier killed osetian man
2)1.06-1.28 - georgians armoured vehicle helped their soldier to kill osetian man
3)1.48 - georgian rockets (mb it's "Grad'??)
4)1.58-2.01 - georgian rockets (mb it's "Grad'??)
5)2.44-2.49 - osetian people hiden in bomb shelter
6)2.56-tii the end - georgian troops began their operaiton

VANIA

[Eka]

Georgia should have negotiated with its neighbors and not to begin the war. They came with arms in Ossetia and this is the result http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PvGRLn ... re=related

You admaire this pictures as I understand! Its typpcal for Russian nacionalists to do so. Maybe you will put on your desktop or mobile to watch many times?

[Simon A]

Inscriptions on tanks are made in the Georgian language. I frequently meet such false Georgian films in a network. Saakashvily should be condemned for crimes in South Ossetia.