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[Guest]

It was conflict about money, now he doesn,t even want to be paid the debt that Ukraine allegedly owed to Russia.
Sounds like oxymoron to me.

[Guest]

It was conflict about money, now he doesn,t even want to be paid the debt that Ukraine allegedly owed to Russia.
Sounds like oxymoron to me.

I think he maybe. Apperently this gas conflict was not about money at all.

[sektor_Gaza]

It was conflict about money, now he doesn,t even want to be paid the debt that Ukraine allegedly owed to Russia.
Sounds like oxymoron to me.

Moronism are one of your favourite ideologies, My dear Guest!

[Sergey]

The conflict was about clear, transparent relations without annual 'negotiations' about prices for gas, without tricks, without postponements in payments but with market prices. This objective itself (and likely it has been reached) is so important that the result costs billions. Now Gazprom is able to operate in predictable environment. In this context $615 mnl. are rather change. They are fines for postponements in payments for gas. It looks like Gazprom will not demand them. But in the future Ukraine will have to pay similar fines (I believe they are mentined in the agreement).

[Moskal]

It was conflict about money, now he doesn,t even want to be paid the debt that Ukraine allegedly owed to Russia.
Sounds like oxymoron to me.

That's probably because you ... overestimate your own thinking abilities. $230 is the average price for gas provided it will fall down witnin 6-7 months subsequent to oil prices going down in accordance with the pricing formula mentioned many times.

As for the debt, I understand the lawsuit has been filed with the Stockholm Arbitrage Court.

[Kusnetsov]

Putin is not a morron. And that's it.

[Mata Hari]

Putin is definitly not only moron but also an EVIL, called Lucifer.. what about the Gazprom,this firm is going to bankrupt and ur ''VELYDERZHAVA" superpower dream will burn in a minute.. Every sin gets an answer, so be ready Russian for ur massacres u'll be punished soon....

[Kusnetsov]

Putin is definitly not only moron but also an EVIL, called Lucifer.. what about the Gazprom,this firm is going to bankrupt and ur ''VELYDERZHAVA" superpower dream will burn in a minute.. Every sin gets an answer, so be ready Russian for ur massacres u'll be punished soon....

What a dilirium.

[BK]

It was conflict about money, now he doesn,t even want to be paid the debt that Ukraine allegedly owed to Russia.
Sounds like oxymoron to me.

OXYmoron? Why? Maybe you should look up oxymoron in the dictionary.

[quote="Moskal"That's probably because you ... overestimate your own thinking abilities. $230 is the average price for gas provided it will fall down witnin 6-7 months subsequent to oil prices going down in accordance with the pricing formula mentioned many times.

Insults do not not improve your argument. What do you mean by provided it [the price of oil] will fall down ? The price of oil HAS fallen and the price of gas in the near future can already be determined; for the latter half of 2009 gas will be between $120 and $160. Ukraine will be paying 80% of this or, between $96 and $148. Oil prices are not expected to recover for at least six months to a year due to the crisis as well as the massive stockpiles that have accumulated. Russia, which is unfortunately dependent upon oil and gas revenues faces particularly difficult times.

As for the debt, I understand the lawsuit has been filed with the Stockholm Arbitrage Court.

Please check your facts on this. There will be proceedings before the SAC. As part of the contract, Russia has waived all claims for alleged back debts, stolen gas and indemnification against Ukraine. However, EU countries have NOT waived their potential claims for breach of contract against Russia. (They cannot sue Ukraine for breach of contract because they did not have a contract with Ukraine.) Russia has already announced that it will use a claim of force majeur to defend itself but based on my knowledge of law and preliminary information from the EC Commission, this defense cannot succeed. However, once the gas starts flowing, most countries will likely forget about lawsuits so it may be a moot point.

And to answer the question, no, Putin is NOT a moron. He took a gambit, lost a few pawns, has learned some valuable lessons and like any other good chess player, is no doubt already considering his next moves.

[Ukrainian]

now press-conference premier-minister of ukraine and eurocomissar has finished
they make clear all information concerning situation:
now contract means direct contract beetween "Gasprom and ukrainian"Naftogas"without any mediator company "Rosukrenergo",also for this year the middle price will be 228 dollars for Ukraine what means reducion 20%from market price,and old low price 1.7 for transit ,and from 10 o'clock there is start of normal work and no more crisis
the special mention for that the transort sistem of Ukaine is property of Ukraine
and special mention about transparent and complex sistem of functioning business relation beetwen russia and ukraine,and also stabile work becouse contract is signed for ten years,and for european customers it means there is less worries about political issues in here and market relations
european comissar is very grateful to Ukrainian premier-minister and conglatulates ukraine with that
also there are journalists asked questions,and european comissar confirms that there is no information about any unlegal removal of gas of european customers,and that He has clear information about statistics,
Premier-minister added that partnership with European Union is a goal of Ukraine and there is no political meaning in marketing process of transport of gas

[Moskal]

Putin is definitly not only moron but also an EVIL, called Lucifer.. what about the Gazprom,this firm is going to bankrupt and ur ''VELYDERZHAVA" superpower dream will burn in a minute.. Every sin gets an answer, so be ready Russian for ur massacres u'll be punished soon....

Conspiracy theory mixed with okkultism - Ukrainians are getting more and more interesting! Is it delirium tremens resulting from abuse of gorilka and salo or just simple paranoid flow of thoughts? Are there any medics on the forum to provide a diagonsis?

Hey, you'd better go and learn English a bit more. This will help to express your thoughts clearer. And what do you mean by "massacres"?...

[Moskal]

[color=#FF0000]Insults do not not improve your argument. What do you mean by provided it [the price of oil] will fall down ?

I insulted nobody here, I just assessed certian abilities of a certain individuum.
I admit - my English is far from perfect... By "provided" I mean "under condition". I confused meaning to say "gas" I said "oil".

So, I can see professor, that you are on the subject and understand the gas pricing mechanism. Therefore, you should know for sure that in Q1 the gas price for the Ukraine will be MUCH HIGHER than you wrote previously.

[Moskal]

And to answer the question, no, Putin is NOT a moron. He took a gambit, lost a few pawns, has learned some valuable lessons and like any other good chess player, is no doubt already considering his next moves.

OK, Putin is not a moron. Good! How about George Bush? And how about Gordon Brown? Maybe, he is not a moron, but he is a "nonentity" (c) Henry Miller - vs. Sarkozy, Merkel, Putin and Medvedev, Berlusconi and even Bush. Don't you think?