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[Hidds]

Hey! Don’t you find Sweden’s policy outright destructive for the EU? First there was an idiotic proposal of furtherance of undemocratic Belarus’ integration into EU and an attempt to represent illegitimate dictator Lukashenko as a person worth dealing with whereas he turned out to be even inferior to what one might expect. Now Sweden gave occasion to a flagrant row with Israel claiming Israeli troops killed Palestinians and harvested their organs for black market. What a thumping big lie!! Totally unproved accusation! I see that EU presidency has an adverse effect on Sweden, hasn’t it? There is one more peculiar thing, years ago when it got known that hundreds of Serbian men had been kidnapped for their organs Sweden kept silence notwithstanding that there were undeniable facts and evidence of that villainy. I see that now Sweden has decided to spoil relations between the EU and Israel? Hell no! Damn it I just can’t get it why a country like Sweden is allowed to hold EU presidency. In case you don’t remember in time of WWII Sweden upheld Hitlerite Germany and sold iron ore to it! I say Sweden still got to be fully answerable for its guile all right!

[Nathan]

Don’t you find Sweden’s policy outright destructive for the EU

No I don't. Sweden also is part of Europe and I do not think he wanted to harm anyone in general

[55° N - 13° E]

Hey! Don’t you find Sweden’s policy outright destructive for the EU? First there was an idiotic proposal of furtherance of undemocratic Belarus’ integration into EU and an attempt to represent illegitimate dictator Lukashenko as a person worth dealing with whereas he turned out to be even inferior to what one might expect. Now Sweden gave occasion to a flagrant row with Israel claiming Israeli troops killed Palestinians and harvested their organs for black market. What a thumping big lie!! Totally unproved accusation! I see that EU presidency has an adverse effect on Sweden, hasn’t it? There is one more peculiar thing, years ago when it got known that hundreds of Serbian men had been kidnapped for their organs Sweden kept silence notwithstanding that there were undeniable facts and evidence of that villainy. I see that now Sweden has decided to spoil relations between the EU and Israel? Hell no! Damn it I just can’t get it why a country like Sweden is allowed to hold EU presidency. In case you don’t remember in time of WWII Sweden upheld Hitlerite Germany and sold iron ore to it! I say Sweden still got to be fully answerable for its guile all right!

I disagree with you about Sweden´s role in the Lukashenko subject but I agree about what Sweden is doing about the Israel issue.

Our politicians say it is not their job to support or condemn our news media because it is not democratic for politicans to speak personally about such things. This actually true. But the reason I agree with you is that our politicans DO support pro-Palestinian reports and they condemn Israel every day.

Here, in Sweden, we hear every day that Israel is bad. We hear every day that the Palestinians are good. If our media reports that an Arab bomber kills many Israeli men, women and children we give them an excuse, for example: "This was in response for the Israelis killing the leader of a terrorist group". But when the Israel Army kills one or two Arab bombers, we report for example, "An inocent child was also injured. This is unaceptable!" Our media is outrageously biased against Israel and the Swedish government seems to support it!

Ps. Do NOT talk about Sweden helping the Nazis. You know NOTHING about it and you are wrong.

[55° N - 13° E]

I think it is a good idea for all the EU member-state citizens to contact their respective representatives and tell them to speak out LOUDLY that they disagree with Sweden´s idea about Israel. You should make Sweden understand that they DO NOT represent all of European opinion.

Actually, I think it is also a good idea to say that most of Europe thinks ....

..... Sweden has decided to spoil relations between the EU and Israel ...

If you also say that Sweden is "racist" on this issue then our politicians will back down immediately. Believe me.

[Troll]

Hey! Don’t you find Sweden’s policy outright destructive for the EU?... EU presidency has an adverse effect on Sweden, hasn’t it?
I see that now Sweden has decided to spoil relations between the EU and Israel?

No I do not see this.

In fact, I would be horrified if the Swedish PM tried to influence the free press.

[55° N - 13° E]

..... I would be horrified if the Swedish PM tried to influence the free press.

I don´t think that Israel wants the Swedish government to "influence the free press" but simply say that the political leades do not agree with what the press has written about Israel ON THIS ONE SPECIFIC POINT/ARTICLE.

The problem is that our government encourages the press to write anti-Israel articles and articles that are pro-Palestinian. The pess (as much as I despise it) is merely following the popular trend set by the Swedish government and backed up by biased and internationally ignorant citizenry. Israel understands this problem and I´m certain they are losing their patience.

[Troll]

..... I would be horrified if the Swedish PM tried to influence the free press.

I don´t think that Israel wants the Swedish government to "influence the free press" but simply say that the political leades do not agree with what the press has written about Israel ON THIS ONE SPECIFIC POINT/ARTICLE.

The problem is that our government encourages the press to write anti-Israel articles and articles that are pro-Palestinian. The pess (as much as I despise it) is merely following the popular trend set by the Swedish government and backed up by biased and internationally ignorant citizenry. Israel understands this problem and I´m certain they are losing their patience.

Israel should concentrate on their own country - and not dictating what other countries should mean about Palestine or other matters.
In a free and democratic country it is fully legal and acceptable to have empathy enough to see how Palestinian are treated by Israel.
I don't see why a PM should be pushed to take stand on content by a journalist.
If so, that would impact the free press. I would expect a PM to not let him/herself do such a ting.

[55° N - 13° E]

Israel should concentrate on their own country - and not dictating what other countries should mean about Palestine or other matters.

But you think it's OK for the Swedish press and the Swedish government not to "concentrate on their own country" and dictate what Israel should mean about Palestine? Excuse me for saying it but you are acting rather as a bigot.

In a free and democratic country it is fully legal and acceptable to have empathy enough to see how Palestinian are treated by Israel.

And in the same "free and democratic country" it should be fully legal and acceptable to have empathy enough to see how Israelis are treated by Palestinians. There is your bigotry again. But perhaps you don¨t believe that old men, women and children are being bombed into small bits by Palestian terrorists in busses and market places?

I don't see why a PM should be pushed to take stand on content by a journalist.

And I don't see why our "free and democratic" media should be pushed to take stand on content by our government. Bigotry is an awful thing. Biased, dominating, media prejudice is even worse - and that's exactly what we have in Sweden.

According to "mellan råderna" (between the lines) it is excusable to intentionally bomb a dozen innocent children in Israel market places but it is unforgivable treachery to have unintentionally killed one innocent palestinian child who happend to be too near the shooting of a terrorist leader.

[Troll]

Excuse me for saying it but you are acting rather as a bigot. ...

Is it customs in this forum to rudely go for the person (and missing the ball) when there are disagreements?

[55° N - 13° E]

Is it customs in this forum to rudely go for the person (and missing the ball) when there are disagreements?

Only when someone throws the ball "out of bounds" and blames it on someone else.

[Troll]

Is it customs in this forum to rudely go for the person (and missing the ball) when there are disagreements?

Only when someone throws the ball "out of bounds" and blames it on someone else.

You cannot reach the ball when it comes outside your scope of view - and hit the person instead.
Good game you have.

[55° N - 13° E]

Is it customs in this forum to rudely go for the person (and missing the ball) when there are disagreements?

Only when someone throws the ball "out of bounds" and blames it on someone else.

You cannot reach the ball when it comes outside your scope of view - and hit the person instead.
Good game you have.

The person outside your scope of view cannot hit the person if the ball is in reach of the bad game you have.

[Troll]

The person outside your scope of view cannot hit the person if the ball is in reach of the bad game you have.

You have got a hint of that I find your personal attack rude. Don't blame me for your communication level.

So, for the actual case: I don't see that it is wrong to be pro-Palestinian. Nor do I regard that this is "anti-Israel". It is certainly possible to oppose Israel's political actions against Gaza, without being "anti-Israel".

[55° N - 13° E]

Som du vill.

[barnacle]

Israel should concentrate on their own country - and not dictating what other countries should mean about Palestine or other matters.
In a free and democratic country it is fully legal and acceptable to have empathy enough to see how Palestinian are treated by Israel.

i agree with "55° N - 13° E" and i belive that you are acting here out of pure ignorance or out of some hidden hate towards the israeli people since you do not bother to even point out that there is another side here that is getting hurt and not only that but if we put aside the acts that the israeli government have taken on the larger scale (such as the recent war that was a must since the settlements of the south were heavily bombarded each and every day by terorrist groups hidding in schools and civilian houses) we can see that the ratio of innocent lives lost tends to go towards the israeli side because the terrorists targets the innocent whereas the idf targets the terrorists themselves and sadly there are casualties from time to time.

[55° N - 13° E]

Bravo, Barnacle!

One definition of being "anti" something is critisizing only one side for doing the same thing as the other side. And in this case the Troll isn´t even seeing any of the facts to see which side is "worse"! I see that the Troll IS anti-Israel and so is my government too.

[Troll]

Stick to the topic: Israel did harvest organs.
Which is what you wanted the media to not write.
And which is called censorship.

You jump on the person and not the topic.
Such low level of yours is not exactly what encourage people come back to this forum.

Link www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/israe ... 99623.html
"Israel Admits Harvesting Organs From Dead Bodies Without Permission"

Talking about anti-Israel is bullying for censorship.

[55° N - 13° E]

...Such low level of yours is not exactly what encourage people come back to this forum.

Goodbye! Adieu! Hejdå!

[Troll]

Bravo, Barnacle!

One definition of being "anti" something is critisizing only one side for doing the same thing as the other side. And in this case the Troll isn´t even seeing any of the facts to see which side is "worse"! I see that the Troll IS anti-Israel and so is my government too.

The topic was that you wanted censorship of the media, for something which turned out to be true.

[55° N - 13° E]

Bravo, Barnacle!

One definition of being "anti" something is critisizing only one side for doing the same thing as the other side. And in this case the Troll isn´t even seeing any of the facts to see which side is "worse"! I see that the Troll IS anti-Israel and so is my government too.

The topic was that you wanted censorship of the media, for something which turned out to be true .

The topic is that you are an ANTI-SEMITE and you only critisize the Jews and continue (with the Swedish government) to censor out all of the terrible things the Palestinians are doing.

BTW: It is NOT true what the Swedish media said but I suppose that you are illiterate and don´t understand what the point really is. Typical.

[Troll]

As it turned out "Israel Admits Harvesting Organs From Dead Bodies Without Permission".
Which is what I understood the papers wrote.

And which I said should not be censored.
Unfortunately censorship and surveillance are EU-politicians favorites nowadays...
but rudely personal attacks is supposed to be kept outside this forums.

[55° N - 13° E]

Which is what I understood the papers wrote.

No. The papers said that the Israelis wrere specifically removing and selling "Palestinian", dead body parts. Now the Swedish papers want to save face by the recent report of some vague notion that some hospital had used body parts that had not been authorized. This latest article does NOT mention "palestinain parts" because it wants to disguise the false report they made before but not clearly state that they were wrong, so that the Swedish reader will think that they were right.

Now, if you want to purposely continue to pretend that you do not understand the difference then don´t continue to repy to my posts. Just write what you want and leave me out of it. I find comunicating with someone with voluntary ignorance very tedious.

rudely personal attacks is supposed to be kept outside this forums.

That is correct. So you should think about it that I did NOT make "rudely personal attacks". It is in your imagination because you do not understand what you are talking about so you feel threatened by the facts that do not agree with you. Next time think first before you submit a post and then you will not have the same problem again.

[55° N - 13° E]

Look Troll, when the Israel Army kill a Palestinian terrorst the Swedish media report it and condemn Israel. When the Palestinians bomb to death innocent men women and children the Swedish media report it but do not condemn the Palestinians. You think that is good reporting I do not think it is good reporting.

One of us is an idiot.

[Troll]

Which is what I understood the papers wrote.

.... you do not understand what you are talking about so you feel threatened by the facts that do not agree with you....

Who authorized you to talk on my behalf? (Or anyone else for that matter). What make a person so small that it start defining other peoples thoughts and feelings...

Here is the original article you wanted censored:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article5652583.ab

Sweden is heavy into censorship, internet filtering and Big Brother mentality - but in a democracy the Free Press should have it place.

[55° N - 13° E]

You don´t care what you say as long as you say something ..... ANYTHING. I think your reply answers the question about which of us is an idiot, but to be sure: Varsågod