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[Brund]

I’m a historian but now I’m dealing with the issue of modern-day fascism and nationalism! I’m just startled by the criminal silence of our Media and politicians about the events happening close by our side!
Let’s call to memory why WWII started. There’re a lot of reasons, of course, but the main one is that we Europeans didn’t prevent Hitler from coming to power on time! And we kept silence when he was taking up arms just in front of us!!
Now [bronze-soldier. com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=44] former SS soldiers hold rallies all across Estonia , but in time of WWII they were fighting for Hitler and killing innocent people!! Ukrainians praise [en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera] Stepan Bandera who also cooperated with Hitler! And we keep silence once again!
[bundesregierung. de/Content/DE/Mitschrift/Pressekonferenzen/2009/08/2009-08-14-pk-sotschi. html] Only the Germans realize that it’s inexcusable to make the same mistake twice!
Our silence can result in another disaster!

[Benn]

inexcusable to make the same mistake twice!
Our silence can result in another disaster

our actions also....

[Laurentine]

Each has its interests in any movement, and we what will have from the involvement in these processes.At least nothing good, because we have no reason to get involved. Each state must solve political problems because no one can to solve them once they have adopted an independent status! I did not heard the President to ask for help to Europe.

[55° N - 13° E]

I’m a historian but now I’m dealing with the issue of modern-day fascism and nationalism! I’m just startled by the criminal silence of our Media and politicians about the events happening close by our side!
Let’s call to memory why WWII started. There’re a lot of reasons, of course, but the main one is that we Europeans didn’t prevent Hitler from coming to power on time! And we kept silence when he was taking up arms just in front of us!!
Now ... former SS soldiers hold rallies all across Estonia , but in time of WWII they were fighting for Hitler and killing innocent people!! Ukrainians praise ... Stepan Bandera who also cooperated with Hitler! And we keep silence once again!
...

As "a historian" you ought to have realized that WWII did NOT start because "we kept silence when he (Hitler) was taking up arms ... ". No. Germany was in dire straights and was suffocating because of restrictions put upon it by the victors of WWI. Hitler was a man who (considering the predicament the country was in) Germany could believe in to bring the country out of its misery. What he did, in the process, was his own personal madness but he was NOT "why WWII started".

What is happening with neo-nazism today is a completely different circumstance and has NOTHING to do with the causes of WWII.

[Kusnetsov]

he was NOT "why WWII started"

Of course, it was not Hitler who started the WWII and why WWII started. It was Europeans who

didn’t prevent Hitler from coming to power on time

.

I think, "nazism" and "neo-nazism" are just the next names for an old damn phenomenon having been following Mankind for centuries, caused by the human weaknesses (as laziness, idifference, hatred, exsessive stupidity, superficial knowledge, inferiority complex, etc.). Thus the problem of what we may call "European fascism" (or whatever it is called) сan be dealt with due to personal effort of mind of everyone. I believe that, actually, sometimes we're responsible for deeds made by others.

[Administrator of EU-forums]

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55° N - 13° E - Kusnetsov is the same person, posting from the same IP!
please stop using two usernames, try to post from one account.

[55° N - 13° E]

I think, "nazism" and "neo-nazism" are just the next names for an old damn phenomenon having been following Mankind for centuries, caused by the human weaknesses (as laziness, idifference, hatred, exsessive stupidity, superficial knowledge, inferiority complex, etc.). Thus the problem of what we may call "European facism" (or whatever it is called) сan be dealt with due to personal effort of mind of everyone. .....

I am sure the examples that you and Brund have given are worth discussing ... BUT ... the MOST OBVIOUS example of Fascism today is not particularly found in Eastern Europe. It is the U.S. They have a similar "nationalism" as the NAZIS and they carry their nationalism (by way of "FALSE national security") onto invading other countries (Iran, Iraq, Nicargua, Panama, Nicaragua, Cuba, Guatamala, Honduras, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, etc. etc. etc.) the same as Hitler did in Czechoslovakia and Poland.

It should be no surprise that the U.S. is encouraging the same sort of "Fascist thinking" in Europe today. The CIA has been employing subversive operations in Europe (in both East and West) since the end of WWII - and ever since the fall of the USSR the U.S. has been unchallenged world-wide, except for Islamic fundamentalists and a couple of relatively weak, Latin American countries.

The complaint of this thread is good, but the blame is in the wrong direction.

[55° N - 13° E]

55° N - 13° E - Kusnetsov is the same person, posting from the same IP! please stop using two usernames, try to post from one account.

WHAT?! Is this a joke?

I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO PROVE THAT. If I am the same person as Kusnetsov then don´t wait - you can disqualify me immediately. It sounds to me like a CIA scare tactic. You don´t like what I post?

[Kusnetsov]

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55° N - 13° E - Kusnetsov is the same person, posting from the same IP!
please stop using two usernames, try to post from one account.

Wow!!! 55° N - 13° E, we made them with our posts. My congretulations.

[55° N - 13° E]

new rule on EU-forums, he/she who uses two or more accounts will be disqualified from this forum!


55° N - 13° E - Kusnetsov is the same person, posting from the same IP!
please stop using two usernames, try to post from one account.

Wow!!! 55° N - 13° E, we made them with our posts. My congretulations.

Yes, and he says that we are posting from the same IP! Does that mean that we are using the same computor? It´s just not possible! What kind of technlogy are the admin using? It must be short-circutied.

I say that Bill Clinton did not cheat on his wife with Monica Lewinsky. Bill Clinton is not even married. Bill and Hillary are the same person and also so are Kim Il Jong and Barack Obama.

[Kusnetsov]

Does that mean that we are using the same computor?

Exactly so.

[55° N - 13° E]

Does that mean that we are using the same computor?

Exactly so.

U-huh. Can you move a little to the right , Kusnetsov - I´m falling off the stool!

[FreeThinker]

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55° N - 13° E - Kusnetsov is the same person, posting from the same IP!
please stop using two usernames, try to post from one account.

To Admin:
Many ISPs use shared IPs. How can you say that all users using the same shared IP are the same person?
Another scenario ... what if my family or friends use a shared computer at home?
This new rule doesn't make sense.

[55° N - 13° E]

new rule on EU-forums, he/she who uses two or more accounts will be disqualified from this forum!


55° N - 13° E - Kusnetsov is the same person, posting from the same IP!
please stop using two usernames, try to post from one account.

To Admin:
Many ISPs use shared IPs. How can you say that all users using the same shared IP are the same person?
Another scenario ... what if my family or friends use a shared computer at home?
This new rule doesn't make sense.

So it is possible that Kusnetsov and I use the same IP? How is that likelyhood affeced by the fact that I´m in Sweden and Kusnetsov is in ... uh, some other country? Does that make the possibility that much less or utterly impossible? And what about a computor that´s purchased in one country but operating in another one? The computor I use at home (here in Sweden) was bought in Slovakia. Does that have any affect? And what do the letters IP stand for, anyway?

[Kusnetsov]

So it is possible that Kusnetsov and I use the same IP? How is that likelyhood affeced by the fact that I´m in Sweden and Kusnetsov is in ... uh, some other country? Does that make the possibility that much less or utterly impossible? And what about a computor that´s purchased in one country but operating in another one? The computor I use at home (here in Sweden) was bought in Slovakia. Does that have any affect? And what do the letters IP stand for, anyway?

Yes, interesting questions. Can anybody answer them. Maybe - Admin.

P.S. Good morning, 55° N - 13° E.

[55° N - 13° E]

Good morning to you too, Kusnetsov!


Please excuse me for smiling but there is one very endearing (almost sympathetic) line in this "warning" ....

.... try to post from one account.

It´s like saying, "We know the temptation is great and the pleasure intoxicating, but we´d appreciate it if you´d please do your best to avoid using more than one account."

[55° N - 13° E]

Quick everyone! Look! Kusnetsov and I are "on line" at the very same moment!

[Kusnetsov]

Quick everyone! Look! Kusnetsov and I are "on line" at the very same moment!

A very rare moment.

[55° N - 13° E]

Quick everyone! Look! Kusnetsov and I are "on line" at the very same moment!

A very rare moment.

Yes, a bit like an Aurora Borealis: rare and unexpected.

[Kusnetsov]

Yes, a bit like an Aurora Borealis: rare and unexpected.

Never seen it, unfortunately. Yet.

[55° N - 13° E]

Yes, a bit like an Aurora Borealis: rare and unexpected.

Never seen it, unfortunately. Yet.

Even fewer people have seen you and I "signed in" simultaneously.

[Nathan]

Bravo guys for a reaction like this. You have sense of humor and I am glad that you have not upset and Hold to communicate with us

[Kusnetsov]

Bravo guys for a reaction like this. You have sense of humor and I am glad that you have not upset and Hold to communicate with us

As Elvis said: "Thank you. Thank you very much."

[Nathan]

[55° N - 13° E]

As Elvis said: "Thank you. Thank you very much."

Yes. But Elvis left the building. You and I are still here.


Thak you, Nathan!