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... If there is a country "Macedonia" why cant I find it on the OFFICIAL UN WEBSITE? ...

Why cant I find the FPOE Greece on the OFFICIAL UN WEBSITE?

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... If there is a country "Macedonia" why cant I find it on the OFFICIAL UN WEBSITE? ...

Why cant I find the FPOE Greece on the OFFICIAL UN WEBSITE?

Its funny because the land where FYROM & its people are currently from was occupied by the Ottoman Empire for even longer than Greece was under the Ottoman's. Thats why 40% of FYROM are of Muslim faith & the Albanian language is the second official language of FYROM.

You should start learning Albanian from now because within 10 years it will be over 51% Ethnic Albanians.

How funny

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its people are currently was occupied by the Ottoman Empire for even longer than Greece was under the Ottoman's. Thats why 40% of are of Muslim faith & the Albanian language is the second official language

That´s interesting! I thought it was more than 40% Muslim. When I was in Makedonia (it was still part of Yugoslavia then) I only remember seeing mosques. I didn´t even see a church. How much % are speaking Albanian in Makadonia?

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its people are currently was occupied by the Ottoman Empire for even longer than Greece was under the Ottoman's. Thats why 40% of are of Muslim faith & the Albanian language is the second official language

That´s interesting! I thought it was more than 40% Muslim. When I was in Makedonia (it was still part of Yugoslavia then) I only remember seeing mosques. I didn´t even see a church. How much % are speaking Albanian in Makadonia?

Friends of mine from FYROM have just returned recently & say the ethnic Albanian population is growing quicker now than previously. The ethnic Albanians are having 4 & 5 children while the ethnic Slavs & ethnic Vlachs are having 1 or 2 children. The borders back in the Yugoslavia days was very stricked where as now the borders are opened for almost anyone.

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PART OF THE SURVEY CONDUCTED BY THE GALLUP BALKAN MONITOR

The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) divided over the name issue

The most striking finding of the Gallup Balkan Monitor survey for FYROM is the difference in attitudes towards the EU between its ethnic groups. The opinions of ethnic Slav Macedonians towards the EU differ significantly from those of the country’s largest minority, ethnic Albanians.

As with ethnic Albanians interviewed in Albania and Kosovo, the ethnic Albanians in FYROM are very supportive of the EU. While, in all, 57 per cent of Former Yugoslav Macedonian nationals approved of their country joining the EU, this support rose to 84 per cent amongst the Ethnic Albanian respondents.


Joining NATO and the EU are such high priorities for the Ethnic Albanians of FYROM that 67 per cent would even give up the country’s name, in the ongoing dispute with Greece, in order to attain that goal. Ethnic Slav Macedonians are strongly opposed, with 95 percent against the name change proposition in this context.

Of all the countries surveyed, FYROM is the one that fears war the most. Almost three in ten respondents said that there will certainly, or probably be an armed conflict in the region within the next five years.


A strong majority of FYROM residents (84 per cent) were convinced that EU accession is needed for peace and development in the region - the highest figure for the western Balkans.

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Joining NATO and the EU are such high priorities for the Ethnic Albanians of FYROM that 67 per cent would even give up the country’s name, in the ongoing dispute with Greece, in order to attain that goal.

That´s simply because "ethnic albanians" see themselves as albanians and would probably rather the country be called "Eastern Albania" anyway. The Makadonians on the other hand, don´t care what the Greeks say, the country is called Makadonia. Actually, everyone calls it Makadonia. It´s only the greeks who don´t. The notation FYROM is clumsy and it will soon disappear from all records just like Ho Chi Mihn City which everyone still calls Saigon. Makadonia might change its name but only if the greeks pay them a LOT of money. The Makadonians have the greeks by the balls - and they know how to squeeze.

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Joining NATO and the EU are such high priorities for the Ethnic Albanians of FYROM that 67 per cent would even give up the country’s name, in the ongoing dispute with Greece, in order to attain that goal.

That´s simply because "ethnic albanians" see themselves as albanians and would probably rather the country be called "Eastern Albania" anyway. The Makadonians on the other hand, don´t care what the Greeks say, the country is called Makadonia. Actually, everyone calls it Makadonia. It´s only the greeks who don´t. The notation FYROM is clumsy and it will soon disappear from all records just like Ho Chi Mihn City which everyone still calls Saigon. Makadonia might change its name but only if the greeks pay them a LOT of money. The Makadonians have the greeks by the balls - and they know how to squeeze.

I think your confused. Greece dont have to pay anyone because Macedonia is part of Greece.

You will find Greece have FYROM by the balls.
1.The United Nations does not recognise any country by the name of "Republic of Macedonia" but "The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". http://www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml
2. Greece is a member of Nato & the EU & you must be accepted by all members if you wish to become a new member which FYROM which to become.
3. Greece have not accepted FYROM as Macedonia for 18 years since they got their independence from Yugoslavia & never will in a million years time. Greece are not in a hurry. They will just sit back & watch FYROM become "Eastern Albania", "Republic of Tetovo or the "Republic of Illyrade"(Alb:Republika e Iliridës).

Greece changed their minds by compromising, in letting FYROM have "Macedonia" as part of their name. FYROM should now also compromise & become "North Macedonia", "Slav Macedonia", "New Mecedonia"or "Vardar Macedonia" before its too late & the ethnic Albanians want no Macedonia at all.

The "North Macedonian Republic" would be accepted by Greece, the UN, Nato & the European Union. Also a good relationship with Greece & entry in Nato & the EU would make the "North Macedonian Republic" much stronger with eventually the Euro currency & security against an Albanian take over.

Time is running out for FYROM.

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Time is running out for FYROM.

Yes. Time is running out for FYROM. It will soon be called simply Makedonia and the Makadonians don´t need to do anything at all - only wait a few more years it will be called Makadonia automatically. The Greeks will find something else to complain about and forget about Makedonia. Soon. Very soon.

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Time is running out for FYROM.

Yes. Time is running out for FYROM. It will soon be called simply Makedonia and the Makadonians don´t need to do anything at all - only wait a few more years it will be called Makadonia automatically. The Greeks will find something else to complain about and forget about Makedonia. Soon. Very soon.

Keep dreaming. If your country is so confident to of being called just Makedonia, them why do they need to hold talks with Greece. Just leave the Greeks alone to enjoy our beautiful Makedonian coastal waters of the Aegean & your people can sit in the mountains dreaming it was yours one day.

SWEET DREAMS MY SLAVIC FRIEND.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=e ... O4dBGi003s
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpre ... y-part-ii/

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If your country is so confident to of being called just Makedonia, them why do they need to hold talks with Greece. .....

"My country"?

Because the Greeks have been causing so much trouble in the region, for such a long time, that the Makadonians enjoy the chance to squeeze the greeks balls. Everytime the Makadonians and the Greeks meet to discuss - the Makadonians squeeze the greeks balls tighter.

And why do the Greeks continue to agree to "talks" with the Makadonians? Because they enjoy having their balls squeezed. Maybe it´s part of Greek culture?

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Hello Helen!

Since I wrote my last post I´ve been thinking about what you said ….

... why do they need to hold talks ....

That’s a VERY GOOD question!

Why so many "talks"? I wonder what they say to one another. What COULD they say to one another? I know they’ve already talked about the historical aspects of the situation … many times! There can´t be very much more to say!

I’m sure that you and I could be VERY good diplomats in those talks and I’m also sure that those people discuss the same way you and I do ….

MAKADONIA: “Soon, the name FYRM will disappear.”
GREECE: “No, it won’t!”
MAKADONIA: “Yes, it will!”
GREECE: “No, it won’t!”
MAKADONIA: “Yes, it will!”
GREECE: “No, it won’t!”
MAKADONIA: “Yes, it will!”
GREECE: “No, it won’t!”
MAKADONIA: “Yes, it will!”
GREECE: “No, it won’t!”
MAKADONIA: “Yes, it will!”
GREECE: “No, it won’t!”
MAKADONIA: “Yes, it will!”
GREECE: “No, it won’t!”

We should get as much money as they do, eh Helen!? Let’s make an application for the job!

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Both countries are waisting tax payers money. They will not agree in 1000 years.

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... They will not agree in 1000 years.

How many years was Itamboul called Constantinople?

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... They will not agree in 1000 years.

How many years was Itamboul called Constantinople?

It was officially renamed to its modern Turkish name Istanbul in 1930 with the Turkish Postal Service Law, as part of Atatürk's national reforms.

The city was named Constantinople (Greek: Κωνσταντινούπολις) from about 330 to 1930.

Anyway the "Macedonia Name Issue" is different & can not be compared to any other issue. There wasnt two different regions or people claiming to be from Byzantine, Romans etc. Thats why this issue is stupid. Macedonia already existed in northern Greece (Hellenic Republic) & they still dicided to name Southern Serbia from Vardarska to Macedonia. No imagination.

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... They will not agree in 1000 years.

How many years was Itamboul called Constantinople?

The city was named Constantinople from about 330 to 1930.

That´s a long time!

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Greece Lures Workers From FYROM
Skopje | 10 August 2009 |


Despite the country's ongoing political spat, neighbouring Greece has become a Mecca for young Slav Macedonians seeking better employment prospects, local media report.



Slav Macedonians earn an average monthly wage of 300 euros and the domestic unemployment rate is 34 per cent. Thus, working in Greek tourist resorts during the May-October holiday season is an attractive option, given that the average wage of resort workers is 1500 euros per month, the daily Utrinski Vesnik reported on Monday.


Slav Macedonians, who serve as waiters, cashiers, drivers or night watchmen, say they usually receive fair treatment from their employers. They report that the owners see their Slav Macedonian origin as a plus as it helps them deal well with Slav Macedonian and other tourists from the region.



A 29-year-old Slav Macedonian from Skopje, who worked on the Greek island of Ios, explained that the array of young people seeking work varies from those looking for serious earnings to adventurers who see resort work as a way to pay for their vacations.


“There are people who have been to work in Greece five or six times, they will usually help you settle once you arrive”, he told the daily.


He noted that their stay in Greece is limited to the three month duration of their tourist visas and that often the jobs are illegal and without the usual benefits.


It is not uncommon for Slav Macedonians to get even higher ranking positions in hotel management, a young woman, who worked in the guest relations department of a Halkidiki peninsula hotel, said.


“You sign a regular job contract. You get a guaranteed vacation and a place to stay,” she told the daily.


Last year, political relations between Greece and FYROM soured after Athens refused to support Skopje’s NATO accession over the countries' long-standing naming row.


Athens claims that Skopje’s formal name, Republic of Macedonia, implies it has territorial claims on Greece’s northern province of Macedonia. Ongoing UN-mediated talks have, so far, proved futile and the issue may promote a further deterioration of relations.


Neither country has come out with official data on the number of Slav Macedonians working in Greece's tourist industry.

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“Old-style nationalism has no future in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”
Skopje | 18 June 2009 | By Darko Duridanski


Ljube Boskoski Former interior minister Ljube Boskoski, making his comeback after four years in jail, explains how he can restore politics’ image, why VMRO ‘hasn’t got what it takes’ and why romantic nationalism has no future.

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Bulgaria Minister: The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) Suffers from Identity Crisis
Diplomacy | August 10, 2009, Monday


In Dimitrov's words, the Bulgarian politicians' determination that FYROM's acceptance to the European Union and NATO has started to weaken. Photo by WTV The Bulgaria minister without portfolio, Bozhidar Dimitrov, described Macedonia as a country which suffers from identity crisis.

He stated so Monday in an interview for the Bulgarian television bTV.

"There was a unique law in which being a Bulgarian was described as a criminal offense, and could get you between 3 and 5 years in jail. There is not such law any more, but Bulgarians are being persecuted in any possible way. This is an attempt to stop the process of re-Bulgarization".

Dimitrov commented on the recent case with the jailed Bulgarian citizen in FYROM, Spaska Mitrova.

"With such cases FYROM is trying to pass its problem, its identity crisis to Bulgaria, Greece, and Albania. Of course, we cannot agree with that", he added.

He asserted that he would do anything possible to send Bulgarian medics to examine Mitrova, because it became clear that her medical condition had worsened in the last few days.

"This case is first of all humanitarian, then juridical. I suppose that despite the bad medical condition of Mitrova, FYROM will keep her in prison, just to show how determined it is to defend its national interest", Dimitrov said.

In his words, the Bulgarian politicians' determination to help FYROM's acceptance to the European Union and NATO has started to weaken.

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MORE IN DEPTH ON
Mitrova case of FYROM identity crisis - Bozhidar Dimitrov

In an interview with bTV television on August 10, Bulgaria's Minister without portfolio, responsible for Bulgarians abroad, Bozhidar Dimitrov responded to the Spaska Mitrova case in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).

As reported earlier by The Sofia Echo, Mitrova is a Bulgarian national who has allegedly been sentenced to three months in jail for not allowing her ex-husband to visit their daughter, failing to observe a ruling of relevant judicial and social institutions.
The Bulgarian interpretation is, however, that she has been sentenced because she self-identified as a Bulgarian.

The following is an edited transcription of the interview Dimitrov gave for bTV.

Bozhidar Dimitrov: "Unfortunately, the possibilities we have as a government are limited. We can act only according to international laws. Our Foreign Ministry has requested documentation on the matter and the views of the FYROM government. We expect to obtain those within several days. This terrible event for me is a humanitarian matter before all else, and only after that a legal matter. Humanitarian, because this is not done anywhere in the world. A mother, who is nursing her child, and who has not secured a bed for her husband when he comes to see their the daughter, is arrested by 20 police officers. Twenty heavily armed police, this many are not even sent when a narcotics boss is arrested in Harlem or the Bronx. Or even here, when we arrest a local dealer."

"FYROM has made this into a political case. The president of FYROM could end this at any time by pardoning the mother, as many organisations have appealed him to do. Or at least to halt the execution of the verdict until the end of breast-feeding," Dimitrov said.

According to Dimitrov, the woman "has been sick, as well as the child. Which makes this humanitarian case even worse." Dimitrov said the mother suffered from cancer in both breasts and the child had asthma.

According to Dimitrov, the child was currently with the father, something which he said was "unacceptable".

"All this is only one of many similar cases, many of which have not become known to the public. FYROM is a country which, as Former Yugoslav Macedonian politician Arben Dzaferi said, suffers from an identity crisis. The nation and the state were built after 1944 on the basis of the Bulgarian population inhabiting this area. FYROM had a unique law, called the Macedonian National Honor Law. To be Bulgarian, to self-identify as Bulgarian was considered a felony and punishable by three to five years in prison," Dimitrov said.

"This is not the case anymore, but obviously in order to protect the nationality created after the 1944, the law was repealed. As I said, Bulgarians and those who self-identify as Bulgarians, are pursued in all possible ways, even for petty crime," Dimitrov said.

"I know a case of twisted bumpers, two cars collided in an accident, no one was killed or wounded. The man involved was sentenced to and served six months in jail," Dimitrov said.

"I would call this repression and an attempt to stop a process that occurs spontaneously, without any interference from the Bulgarian side, known as Re-Bulgariasation. The term is not mine, but from former Yugoslav Macedonian president Kiro Gligorov," Dimitrov said.

"It is good that the current strong team at the ministry said it could reconsider Bulgaria's attitude towards FYROM's acceptance into the European Union and Nato," Dimitrov said.

"Generally, among Bulgarian politicians there is the sense that our policy of full support to FYROM for its membership should be revised, or at least used to exert pressure on FYROM to change something. You see, this is a problem, but it is not our problem, it is theirs. The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia attempts to transfer its internal problems, its identity crises, to Bulgaria, Greece and Albania. Of course, we cannot accept that. They have to explain to their citizens why they have it so bad. They are in a very bad state, unemployment there is around 40 per cent, with next to no foreign investments and there is a need to explain why this is," Dimitrov said.

FYROM television AL1 quoted media analysts as saying that the Bulgarian reaction in the Mitrova case was proof of a new policy, which became obvious with the appointment of "anti-Macedonian" Bozhidar Dimitrov.

"I do not determine the policy of the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry. The ministry has very capable specialists in this field," Dimitrov said.

Asked what would be the Bulgarian policy towards FYROM from here on, Dimitrov said "I do not deal with policy concerning Bulgarians abroad. I deal with cultural and educational issues, issues regarding Bulgarian churches and schools and the Bulgarian media, among others."

If asked for help, however, Dimitrov said, he would "co-ordinate and inform official institutions."

Asked if he expected the issue to drag on, Dimitrov said "I am afraid that, in order to preserve prestige, the Former Yugoslav Macedonian government will do precisely that. They will drag this on for three months and reject all our proposals, just to show how well they protect the Macedonian national identity."

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In Dimitrov's words, the Bulgarian politicians' determination that FYROM's acceptance to the European Union and NATO has started to weaken.

In the Makadonians words, "The name of our country is Makadonia!"

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The people of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia must be the only people on this earth not proud of their roots/background that they are using other countries names, ethnicity, language, religion, national flag and history. Are they not intelligent enough and proud enough to have their own identity?

Macedonia- A Hellenic (Greek) name & region for country name.
Macedonian people/language- Bulgarian/Serbian
Macedonian Orthodox Church- Serbian/Hellenic
1st National Flag- Hellenic (Star of Vergina)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergina_Sun
Current National Flag- Japanese (War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag
History- Greek/Bulgarian/Serbian

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The people of Macedonia must be the only people on this earth not proud of their roots/background that they are using other countries names, ethnicity, language, religion, national flag and history. Are they not intelligent enough and proud enough to have their own identity?

The Ameicans, Australians, Brazilians, Canadians, Argentinas, Greenlanders, New Zealanders, South Africans, Namibians, Mexicans, Guatamalans, Chilians, Venezuelans, Panamanians, Morroccans, Algerians, Tunesians, Egyptians, Sudanese, Cubans, Bahamians, Trinidadians, Cypriots, Cretians, Rodosans, Lesvosians and Chalkedans must be the only people on this earth not proud of their roots/background that they are using other countries names, ethnicity, language, religion, national flag and history. Are they not intelligent enough and proud enough to have their own identity?

Here is the flag of Makadonia. You should look at it very closely. This is the flag of the country from which Alexander the Great comes from. He was not Greek. He was Makadonian too.

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The Australians, New Zealanders & all those countries you noted do not change the name of their language to Australian, New Zealand etc because there is not such language. There official language is English, just like you should have Bulgarian. Those countries also dont hide the fact that Britans Union Jack is part of their flag.

Thats right, I forgot Alexander the Great spoke Bulgarian and the writing from his time were in Slav.

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The Australians, New Zealanders & all those countries you noted do not change the name of their language to Australian, New Zealand etc because there is not such language. There official language is English ...

You are not very wise, Helen. You don´t know who I was talking about in all of those countries? Maybe you need to study geography first and come back to this discussion after.

I suppose also you never heard of Cretan, Tsakonian and Yevanic. Read, Helen, read.

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The Australians, New Zealanders & all those countries you noted do not change the name of their language to Australian, New Zealand etc because there is not such language. There official language is English ...

You are not very wise, Helen. You don´t know who I was talking about in all of those countries? Maybe you need to study geography first and come back to this discussion after.

I suppose also you never heard of Cretan, Tsakonian and Yevanic. Read, Helen, read.

Why mention Australia, New Zealand, Venezuella & all those countries if your not talking about them?

I know Cretan but in regards to Tsakonian and Yevanic only that they are some of the many dialects spoken in the Hellenic Republic or part of the Hellenic language. The Hellenic Jews I think spoke Yevanic.

These people dont hide their background/roots of their language. Cretan is part of the Hellenic dialect. In Venezuella they speak Spanish. What are you trying to get to?