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[VenOm]

I've read about a prediction that in 50 years all humans will become vegetarians due to the invention of a device that will translate the language of animals.
By looking at other topics in this forum I can see that it will not happen so easy... people can understand each other but human rights are not respected everywhere... I would go even further and say that human rights are not respected unless there are laws defending them.

So here comes my question:
How would you react to a law defending animal rights in EU, including the right to live freely and happily?
That will mean no more killing them for our food....
So what do you think?

[BigPapa]

I think it's a crazy idea and will never be implemented.
What should I eat, grass?!!!

[Ventimille]

I could easily live without meat, but animal cruelty can also include mass production of eggs and milk etc., 'cause those animals often live in horrible and unnatural conditions.
In general I'd support animal rights low, but I'd have to learn to manage without milk. Meat won't be a problem, hehe.

[b-j]

Animal rights in the Islam
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killing animals for nothing is forbiden
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but for food it's OK
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y can't use animals as a living target
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y shouldn't slay an animal while another animal is watching
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y shouldn't carry overload on yr animal
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during four months of pilgrimage it's forbidden to hunt
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the prophet said
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a woman entered hill fire because she locked up a cat and made it die of hunger, she didn't fed it or let it eat form left over on land
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and he said
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A prostitute was forgiven when she descended to a well and put water in her shoes to give it to a thirsty dog in the desert

[VenOm]

I think it's a crazy idea and will never be implemented.
What should I eat, grass?!!!

Slave owners thought it was crazy to give freedom to slaves...
And some men definitely thought it is stupid to give the same rights to women.
But this is life we as a species evolve and need a higher morale just to survive...

To be able to judge our behavior toward animals one should imagine a superior species that is so intelligent, smart and technically advanced that we humans in comparisons to them are like animals in comparison to humans. Now the question is, would you like them to treat humans, the same way, we humans treat animals?

Regarding grass, there is plenty of food around you just make an effort to look around.

[Steven]

I could easily live without meat, but animal cruelty can also include mass production of eggs and milk etc., 'cause those animals often live in horrible and unnatural conditions.
In general I'd support animal rights low, but I'd have to learn to manage without milk. Meat won't be a problem, hehe.

I doubt you could live without meat, these are only words

[Terry]

I agree, we can't protect animals because we eat them, it's stupid

[Hardy]

I agree, we can't protect animals because we eat them, it's stupid

We can stop eating them...
Imagine for animals we are powerful like gods... How would you perceive a god that would take care of you just to kill and eat you in the end?

[Terry]

well if you say so, than stop eating meat at all! I will take a look at you in few months, you'll be ready to eat even a cat for remembering the taste of meat

[clearman]

Do you think that we'll eat fresh meat or vegetable in ...20 years? I don't think so. Perhaps we'll eat some "Star trek" meals or colored and good smelling chemicals (Hi Fi McDonald's) Yeah

[Steven]

ohh, you mentioned McDonalds. You know what, actually I like this food a lot, although I understand that it contains a lot of chemicals and it's dangerous for health. But I think we are now passing to a new age, when even livestock is fed with chemicals, that's why we're not gonna have a bright future

[M.Helen]

In UK a familly can be fined for leaving a cat or a dog alone in their house for 2 days. I love animals, but this is too much...

[Terry]

from another point of view, it will make the animal holders become responsible indeed for their animals.

[M.Helen]

Schopenhauer about animal treating:
"Thus only for practice are we to have sympathy for animals, and they are, so to speak, the pathological phantom for the purpose of practicing sympathy for human beings. In common with the whole of Asia not tainted by Islam (that is, Judaism), I regard such propositions as revolting and abominable ... This philosophical morality ... is only a theological one in disguise ... Thus, because Christian morality leaves animals out of account ... they are at once outlawed in philosophical morals; they are mere "things," mere means to any ends whatsoever. They can therefore be used for vivisection, hunting, coursing, bullfights, and horse racing, and can be whipped to death as they struggle along with heavy carts of stone. Shame on such a morality that is worthy of pariahs, chandalas, and mlechchhas, and that fails to recognize the eternal essence that exists in every living thing ..."

[Benn]

hmmm...
he seemed to like animals
Anyway, I consider that almost each animal should bring use if the human does.

[M.Helen]

Killing an animal for food is the food chain and cycle of life. Killing an animal for fun is mean and cruel.

[Faw_Peter]

Killing an animal for food is the food chain and cycle of life. Killing an animal for fun is mean and cruel.

yes Helen, you are right, that's the Law of Jungle

[Karl.in.eu]

Killing an animal for food is the food chain and cycle of life. Killing an animal for fun is mean and cruel.

What about hunting then?

[Guest]

If I can stop eating meat and continue leading a happy, healthy life, I'd imagine most people can. Actually, most people (on a global scale) can't eat dairy products but they can eat vegetables. Seriously, it isn't a hippie conspiration. Please consider?
Also, reducing enormous meat industry brings some significant environmental benefits.

-Laika, a cosmonaut who didn't quite manage it back.

[Faw_Peter]

Hunting must be prohibited generally. I don't understand why certain people have fun from killing an animal. There are so many interesting things to do, but no they want to kill. If it's so, why don't they just take a gun and shoot at paper targets? Nobody gets hurt.

[VeganSoldier]

I've read about a prediction that in 50 years all humans will become vegetarians due to the invention of a device that will translate the language of animals.
By looking at other topics in this forum I can see that it will not happen so easy... people can understand each other but human rights are not respected everywhere... I would go even further and say that human rights are not respected unless there are laws defending them.

So here comes my question:
How would you react to a law defending animal rights in EU, including the right to live freely and happily?
That will mean no more killing them for our food....
So what do you think?

I would find it the greatest thing that ever could happened on this planet!

[Terry]

I would find it the greatest thing that ever could happened on this planet!

Vegan, now you are a real animal defender
OK, how do you imagine this? If we hit a cat by accident while driving, should we be punished with prison or what? Or maybe we need to create a special criminal code for killing animals: cat - 8 years in prison, dog - 10 years in prison

[Powerslave]

Well moderation is the key to a healthy diet and meat do have some useful stuff
I can't imagine eating soup for the rest of my life...wait...I can't put chicken in my soup
Then I'll eat bread...wait...I can't put ham on my sandwich
Then I'll have some rice like third world countries and end up with a big belly and a thin body

[neweuropean]

AAaaahhh!! All this talk of animals makes me want to run out and get
a big monster lobster tail with melted garlic butter, and a nice, juicy,
medium rare tenderloin, slowly roasted over an open grill, with a
baked potato. Makes me glad I joined PETA... no, not that one...
the other one... "P.eople E.ating T.asty A.nimals"!

[Big_Becka]

I don't think it's too crazy. Most of the meat you eat does not have much meat in it all Sausages are often bulked with wheat rusk, and cheap burgers often have soy in them. And when was the last time you had a pie or curry with more than a couple of lumps of meat?

When I was a young child, we used to eat "economy burgers" that had so little meat in them that they could not be advertised as "beef burgers" - I honestly think they are the reason I do not have Mad Cow Disease [Yet... ]

A lot of my friends now eat Quorn and other vegetarian foods because they are low fat: I even go to a slimming club where this is encouraged.

All this talk of animals makes me want to run out and get
a big monster lobster tail with melted garlic butter,

Ahhhh, you don't want to eat that muck! I grew up in a fishing area: lobster is what poor families used to catch and eat on the side I remember being most surpised when I found out how much people pay to eat seafood in restaurants!